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Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?

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§ ita § - Aug 15, 2004 8:50:27 pm PDT #2172 of 3531

Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I can imagine it too -- I think it's plausible. I don't think it's either definite or required though. As I said, I never imagined he had a luxurious lifestyle. I didn't know what his mother's marital status and job had to do with his taste in women, especially when you have to go through her expression of her aesthetic tastes to get to it.

Which, because I've spent a ton of posts on it sounds like I'm beating up Beverly. I'm just wondering about the lines drawn, and the need for those lines -- Occam's razor can probably get you there quicker, without fanon.

Allyson - Aug 15, 2004 8:57:49 pm PDT #2173 of 3531

Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I think Mal's easy friendships with women is more related to the show creators' easy friendships with women.

This does not explain Angel.

§ ita § - Aug 15, 2004 9:00:25 pm PDT #2174 of 3531

Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

the show creators' easy friendships with women.

Wait, I thought they were sexist bastards?

I so can't keep track anymore...

Allyson - Aug 15, 2004 9:03:30 pm PDT #2175 of 3531

Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Wait, I thought they were sexist bastards?

It's a conundrum. Wait. Is that a word?

Beverly - Aug 15, 2004 9:11:55 pm PDT #2176 of 3531

Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Not feeling beat up, just wanting to be clear.

I think I forgot to make the point that because Mal respected and (I'm guessing) got along well with his mom, he respects and has an easy rapport with women, especially women who work in non-gender specific jobs. And that he has less easy-going friendly, more wary and/or shippy feelings toward women who are in traditionally feminine roles.

I have the impression that he sees Kaylee and Zoe as who they are. But he sees Inara, and Whassname in HoG as potential sexual partners. I don't think for a minute that he thinks of Zoe or Kaylee *first* as a sexual being, although he knows they're not "guys." And I think that easy acceptance as other-than-sexual is a legacy of his regard for a strong, hardworking in a traditional male's role mother.

But that motivation was never actually on the page, or the screen. More just in my head.

§ ita § - Aug 15, 2004 9:19:27 pm PDT #2177 of 3531

Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

And that he has less easy-going friendly, more wary and/or shippy feelings toward women who are in traditionally feminine roles.

This is also making assumptions about what is traditionally feminine at their point in the future. We never ironed out the boy companion thing -- do you get the feeling that it's odd for a woman to be a mechanic or a soldier? I hadn't.

Tal - Aug 15, 2004 9:20:00 pm PDT #2178 of 3531

hi allyson..is nilly awake?

Lee - Aug 15, 2004 9:20:44 pm PDT #2179 of 3531

The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Tal, Nilly is with me now, and she is asleep on the couch.

Tal - Aug 15, 2004 9:22:21 pm PDT #2180 of 3531

thanks lee, send her a big hi & that yair is o.k now...

Tal - Aug 15, 2004 9:24:16 pm PDT #2181 of 3531

oh by the way, sweet dreams (not for me..it`s 9:30 a.m here-alas)

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