I'm with Steph, mostly. I do think he's gotten to the point where he fits better with AtS now than he did with BtVS late-S7 (and I have a theory about that), but in the beginning of the season, he stuck out like a sore thumb.
Dawn: I thought you were adequate. Giles: And the accolades keep pouring in. I'd best take my leave before my head swells any larger. Good night.
'First Date'
Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?
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Jessica - May 14, 2004 9:09:16 am PDT #217 of 3531
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
bon bon - May 14, 2004 9:12:07 am PDT #218 of 3531
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
His size may have been difficult to work around.
Toddson - May 14, 2004 11:24:10 am PDT #219 of 3531
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"
In other news, I now have seasons 1, 2 and 3 on DVD ... so I can enjoy what was, even though there won't be any more.
Polter-Cow - May 14, 2004 11:28:52 am PDT #220 of 3531
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
In other news, I now have seasons 1, 2 and 3 on DVD ... so I can enjoy what was, even though there won't be any more.
Ooh. I'm almost done going through my DVDs. It's fun stuff. I can't wait for S4 on DVD. Mmm.
victor infante - May 14, 2004 11:30:15 am PDT #221 of 3531
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
I've actually much more enjoyed Spike now that he's settled in a bit--his scenes with Illyria have been excellent, and some of the old married couple stuff with Angel has been funny.
On the whole, I'm OK with it. In fact, at this point, if there were another season, I'd be fine with him coming back.
That being said, I'm sure there's someone around FOX who's floated a Spike spin-off.
Madrigal Costello - May 14, 2004 11:44:19 am PDT #222 of 3531
It's a remora, dimwit.
I do feel like they could have done a lot more with Lorne and Harmony, since they're the soul-less good guys. They're not M's oG out of conscience or guilt or anything but a desire to do good that's greater than a desire for evil. In fact, I'd put the reformation of Harmony as possibly one of the MoG's greatest goods - I mean, yeah, so far she's sucked at being an evil genius, but they've gotten one vampire to switch sides. In fact, I think they could have done a lot more good if they did start working on a small scale and then let it build - they get Harmony, and then she brings in a couple more vampires, and they bring in more, and pretty soon they can branch out to some demons - and then it's not just everybody against the humans anymore.
§ ita § - May 14, 2004 11:46:39 am PDT #223 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
What are the odds that sans Angel's watchful eye Harmony keeps off the humans? How long would it take? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades? She's not getting any older.
Wolfram - May 14, 2004 11:55:27 am PDT #224 of 3531
Visilurking
In fact, I'd put the reformation of Harmony as possibly one of the MoG's greatest goods...
See I disagree with you here. IMO, Harmony's only on the side of good because that's whose paying her bills and by nature she wasn't a very good member of the scary vampire troupe. Take away the random human blood tests and she'd be sneaking a bite every chance she got.
Madrigal Costello - May 14, 2004 11:56:21 am PDT #225 of 3531
It's a remora, dimwit.
That's a good question. As long as she's a marginal member, she is more abstaining from humans just because it's what the alpha commands, just as in high school she would have shunned wearing mules if Cordelia had told her to. The more she can feel like an active force for good, and that she can derive some self worth from that, the less likely she'd be to feed on humans- though I do think she'd probably sneak human blood from other sources like blood banks every now and then.
Topic!Cindy - May 14, 2004 11:58:11 am PDT #226 of 3531
What is even happening?
I do feel like they could have done a lot more with Lorne and Harmony, since they're the soul-less good guys
I can't equate Harmony with Lorne. Harmony is like Chipped!Spike. She is on a dry drunk. She has some sort of motive for not killing (it's never been clear why she'd want a job when she could just be killing--I think this is one place where the mythology has really started to fall apart).