I think ST:TNG almost got there with Riker & Troi
I thought it was canon that Riker and Troi had been involved briefly before they ever got assigned to the Enterprise together, hence all the heavy breathing and hand wringing.
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'Why We Fight'
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Frankenbuddha - Aug 15, 2004 5:12:13 pm PDT #2155 of 3531
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
§ ita § - Aug 15, 2004 5:29:03 pm PDT #2156 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Riker and Troi have that whole Imzadi thing that preceded the Enterprise stint, and don't they end up married?
I don't think Mal and Zoe are friends. Not to devalue what they have, but I don't see a lot of confidences there. Confidence through action, perhaps, but only in certain arenas. Till death do they part, I also believe, but just in a different way. I can't see them ever talking -- their relationship has a different medium.
sj - Aug 15, 2004 5:44:35 pm PDT #2157 of 3531
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."
Riker and Troi have that whole Imzadi thing that preceded the Enterprise stint, and don't they end up married?
Yes, in one of the movies.
Scrappy - Aug 15, 2004 6:12:23 pm PDT #2158 of 3531
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
I see them as friends--they can show all their feelings to each other--something I don't think they can do to many people. I don't think they talk much, but my BF doesn't "talk" much to his closest friends, but the friendship is very real.
§ ita § - Aug 15, 2004 6:28:11 pm PDT #2159 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think they have a very tight and invaluable bond, but that there are different characteristics from what I count as friendship.
victor infante - Aug 15, 2004 7:51:56 pm PDT #2160 of 3531
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
I don't think they talk much, but my BF doesn't "talk" much to his closest friends, but the friendship is very real.
I'm with Robin on this one. Neither Mal or Zoe are the type to do much talking, in any case, but I think their friendship is a solid and unshakable thing.
§ ita § - Aug 15, 2004 7:57:09 pm PDT #2161 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I bet Zoe does a hell of a lot of talking with Wash. It's not a her thing. It's a them thing. They're comrades. They're a team. I'd be really really startled if romance was possible for them -- if it is indeed a friendship, I'd say it's a friendship that doesn't extrapolate.
This may be a semantic distinction that only exists in my head.
Beverly - Aug 15, 2004 8:24:31 pm PDT #2162 of 3531
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.
If I recall correctly, Mal was raised by his widowed and/or single mother. He mentions that his mom had a ranch, not that his folks had a ranch. Being raised by a single mom might account for his rapport with women who don't frip, like Kaylee and Zoe, and unlike Inara, whose frippery is apparent.
§ ita § - Aug 15, 2004 8:25:37 pm PDT #2163 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Being raised by a single mom might account for his rapport with women who don't frip, like Kaylee and Zoe, and unlike Inara, whose frippery is apparent.
But Kaylee wants to frip (though he thinks poorly of it), and he seems to be in love with Inara.
Also -- single mothers frip less?
sumi - Aug 15, 2004 8:28:53 pm PDT #2164 of 3531
Art Crawl!!!
I think that a single mother who owned a ranch would have less occasion to frip and probably less of the wherewithal to do it with.