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Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?

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Micole - May 13, 2004 7:02:47 pm PDT #160 of 3531

I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.

I used to have some big elaborate justification why it would work for Angel to be a tragedy, and why it wouldn't ultimately work for Buffy (and thus why I could never have accepted "The Gift" as a series finale), but, uh, I have completely forgotten it.

I think it may have something to do with Buffy being based on the idea of rewriting the sacrificial death of girls to give hope--so she had to live; and Angel being based on a more traditional idea of atonement, so that the proper tragic ending, where he dies but the torch is passed on, doesn't strike me as violating the precept of the series.

brenda m - May 13, 2004 7:26:05 pm PDT #161 of 3531

If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Okay, it's not much of a limb to go out on...

Well, it could have been. If you can call a neck a limb.

Stephanie - May 13, 2004 7:31:05 pm PDT #162 of 3531

Trust my rage

What is the origin of the phrase "show called Angel"?

I've been wondering about the origin of the phrase "TV's Angel" and I'm not too sure where I've heard it. Is there another Angel?

Katie M - May 13, 2004 7:53:16 pm PDT #163 of 3531

I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

I think it may have something to do with Buffy being based on the idea of rewriting the sacrificial death of girls to give hope--so she had to live; and Angel being based on a more traditional idea of atonement, so that the proper tragic ending, where he dies but the torch is passed on, doesn't strike me as violating the precept of the series.

Right! Exactly! Well put.

Well, I didn't get that far into it. I think it was mostly that I find Buffy a fundamentally hopeful show--that explains a lot about my frustration with S6 and S7, really--whereas Angel, not so much. Angel says to me that there can be grace even in darkness; Buffy says to me that that you can get a damn generator and turn the lights on.

tommyrot - May 13, 2004 7:58:27 pm PDT #164 of 3531

Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I've been wondering about the origin of the phrase "TV's Angel"

From "TV's Frank"? (On MST3K.)

Kristen - May 13, 2004 8:03:08 pm PDT #165 of 3531

this post intended to trigger the memory of someone who actually has one

I think the "Show called Angel" remark must have been a separate post. The multi-ethnic quote was a stand alone post.

And, no, I have no memory. But I do have a handy dandy Minear quote generator:

"Show not called 'Needy Multi-Ethnic-Street-Kids."

brenda m - May 13, 2004 8:05:15 pm PDT #166 of 3531

If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I think "Show called Angel" was actually an outgrowth of Tim's original quote.

§ ita § - May 13, 2004 8:05:21 pm PDT #167 of 3531

Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think the "Show called Angel" remark must have been a separate post.

It may have just been a riff off that post, as a natural conclusion. I'm just impressed with myself for remembering NMESK.

Kristen - May 13, 2004 8:10:34 pm PDT #168 of 3531

I'm just impressed with myself for remembering NMESK.

You should be. You even got it in the right order.

arby - May 13, 2004 8:35:19 pm PDT #169 of 3531

Guy #1: Man, there are so many hipsters around. I hate hipsters! Guy #2: You're at the wrong place. That's like going to Vegas only to say "I hate titties!" --The Warsaw, Williamsburg (OINY)

I'm also assuming that we would never have gotten any more backstory on [Hamilton & Frogyn's] relationship than that one line, because throwaway lines are useful in bringing the illusion of depth to world-building.

Sometimes. Other times they're just dangling threads left there to drive the fans crazy.

Signed, Still Bitter About Halfrek's "William?"

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