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Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?  

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-t - May 25, 2004 3:23:33 pm PDT #1493 of 3531
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

When Wes says "one last perfect day", I hear Lou Reed.


Frankenbuddha - May 25, 2004 4:24:00 pm PDT #1494 of 3531
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Oh boo WLVI. They showed the "Grr Argh!" this time around. I mean, I'm glad to have it, since I screwed up last week's taping, but I'm sure the rest of the New Englanders just re-watched, if that.


Gandalfe - May 25, 2004 4:42:57 pm PDT #1495 of 3531
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

When Wes says "one last perfect day", I hear Lou Reed.

Damnit! Now I want to see Wes and Illyria drinking sangria in the park!


Caterpillar Drive - May 25, 2004 5:03:49 pm PDT #1496 of 3531
Tonight, I am the Law.

I saw the Finale re-broadcast tonight. I try to keep a running list in my head of either A) pop culture homages as I see them and B) continuity shout-outs.

So, correct me if I miss anything: 1. Hamilton's speechifying during the fight with Angel reminds me of Agent Smith's taunts to Neo in the Matrix trilogy, especially as it pertains to why Angel keeps fighting if no one cares. 2. When Hamilton says "we are legion, we are everywhere," it reminds me of what the demon possessing Regan told the priests in the Exorcist. 3. That red demon Wes was trying to take out. The sound of his voice reminds me of the Emperor in Return of the Jedi.

Continuity references I caught: 1. Harmony's reference to Graduation. 2. Wesley mentioning his training as a Watcher -- "the first rule." 3. Spike and the poetry -- that was classic stuff. 4. The wrist-deployable stakes! 5. Hamilton's references to Doyle and Cordelia. 6. Naturally, Connor mentioning his restored memories.

I've seen some people say the Angel finale was better than the Buffy finale. I agree in terms of plot execution and the wonderful cinematography and camera work of the Angel finale. I still like the Buffy finale though because I think its circumstances were appropriate for the set of characters. Same applied to Angel's set of protagonists. They get a chance to fight. And that is commendable.


Topic!Cindy - May 26, 2004 1:20:02 am PDT #1497 of 3531
What is even happening?

Oh boo WLVI. They showed the "Grr Argh!" this time around. I mean, I'm glad to have it, since I screwed up last week's taping, but I'm sure the rest of the New Englanders just re-watched, if that.

Argh! I watched it, but didn't record it on TiVo, because I recorded it on both TiVo and my VCR last week. And then I switched the channel to watch 24, and didn't even see the Grr Argh guy, never mind record him. What did I catch instead--the frigging American Idol ending, which ran it's typical 2 minutes long. Feh.

eta...

2. When Hamilton says "we are legion, we are everywhere," it reminds me of what the demon possessing Regan told the priests in the Exorcist.

And The Exorcist took "we are legion" from The Bible account in which Jesus heals a possessed man. He first asks the name, and the demons reply, "Legion, for we are many."

I've seen some people say the Angel finale was better than the Buffy finale. I agree in terms of plot execution and the wonderful cinematography and camera work of the Angel finale. I still like the Buffy finale though because I think its circumstances were appropriate for the set of characters. Same applied to Angel's set of protagonists. They get a chance to fight. And that is commendable.

I agree with you. Each show ended as it should. The two shows are so different, and so are their endings.


UTTAD - May 26, 2004 1:32:41 am PDT #1498 of 3531
Strawberry disappointment.

I was watching Gingerbread last night and in Angel tells Buffy that he's in an endless fight, but it's fought because it has to be.

Can't say they changed the mission statement.


Caterpillar Drive - May 26, 2004 3:25:24 am PDT #1499 of 3531
Tonight, I am the Law.

"And The Exorcist took "we are legion" from The Bible account in which Jesus heals a possessed man. He first asks the name, and the demons reply, "Legion, for we are many.""

Indeed. I totally overlooked that.


Frankenbuddha - May 26, 2004 5:43:02 am PDT #1500 of 3531
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I struck me on re-watch, and some pondering this morning as I tried to drag my carcass out of bed, just how coldly Angel used and discarded Lindsey. It would have been one thing if Lindsey had come to Angel to get involved, but Angel went out of his way to get Lindsey in on the fight.

What if Lindsey had refused? Would Angel have taken him out right then and there? Later?

Also, was there anything Lindsey could have said or done differently that would have saved him from getting put down like a dog? Was Lorne supposed to pull the trigger if Lindsey survived under any circumstances?

I know he's basically shat on every kindness and second chance that Angel's extended him before, but still. It's Angel going out of his way to get Lindsey involved that really stuck with me.

This isn't a complaint, just an observation. If nothing else, Angel's treatment of Lindsey made more sense than whatever Lindsey was supposed to be up to this season.


Jim - May 26, 2004 5:47:07 am PDT #1501 of 3531
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

Lindsey was part of the problem. To put it another way, Angel gave him what he wanted - to be regarded one of the Circle.


Topic!Cindy - May 26, 2004 5:53:26 am PDT #1502 of 3531
What is even happening?

Frank, that's funny, because I actually felt a little better about it, upon rewatch.

Towards the end of Angel's conversation with Lindsey, he has his back turned toward Lindsey, and he asks Lindsey why he's willing to join the fight (this is the whole bit, that includes the "big, brass testes" line). I thought Angel seemed to really be listening for something, some cue, by which he could gauge how sincere Lindsey was. Angel's face grew more and more pained throughout Lindsey's spiel.

eta...

Without watching and noting right now, I seem to recall from last night, that when Lindsey said the thing about it being a circus, I noticed what seemed like an expression of decision on Angel's face.