Overall, I'm not too pissed at those eps.
I'll join you in that corner. It isn't like "She" made the list.
The girl's not playing with a full deck, Giles. She has almost no deck. She has a three.
Buffy ,'Same Time, Same Place'
Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?
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Fred Pete - May 25, 2004 3:38:11 am PDT #1437 of 3531
Ann, that's a ferret.
§ ita § - May 25, 2004 3:55:32 am PDT #1438 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
A list without AYNOHYEB is not a list made by humans from my dimension. It stands alone beautifully.
Polter-Cow - May 25, 2004 4:03:56 am PDT #1439 of 3531
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Or Fredless, I could see that one being in there.
What? It's the boringest boring that ever boringed. Even if it does have a sweetass killer toaster.
Frankenbuddha - May 25, 2004 4:22:40 am PDT #1440 of 3531
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
A list without AYNOHYEB is not a list made by humans from my dimension. It stands alone beautifully.
This. This is the one that I'm scratching my head over why it's missing. Even Reunion requires more setup/follow-through than I could see it winning for, but ARE YOU NOW... is one of the great one-offs.
Scrutinizer - May 25, 2004 4:33:25 am PDT #1441 of 3531
I've lived to bury my desires,/And see my dreams corrode with rust;/Now all that left are fruitless fires/That burn my empty heart to dust.
Viewer choice marathons are weird, though. Look at TXF marathons on Fx and SciFi; the choices always include eps like Arcadia, Bad Blood, PMP, How the Ghosts Stole Christmas, Triangle, The Natural. A bunch of X-Files Lite shows that were kinda shippy and mildly entertaining, but also pretty brainless. Now I'll fight to the death for the Ship, but the best XF eps were the early arc episodes, and those are almost never chosen. Looks like the same thing's going on with the Angel marathon.
§ ita § - May 25, 2004 4:36:21 am PDT #1442 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Hmm. As a lover of Bad Blood and PMP and The Natural and Triangle -- I think those episodes kept best -- they're not so wrapped up in the craptastic arc that went nowhere, and are therefore less tainted by my resentment. They're well written and acted, and I think it makes perfect sense for best-of lists to be arc-light.
Kalshane - May 25, 2004 4:49:12 am PDT #1443 of 3531
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why?
Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.
What ita said.
What's always confused me is anytime there's a "best of" ST:TNG marathon, "The Best of Both Worlds" 1 and 2 are always in it. While I don't dislike them, they're not my favorites and the fact that they always take up two slots out of the 10 (or whatever) kind of bugs.
Scrutinizer - May 25, 2004 4:49:20 am PDT #1444 of 3531
I've lived to bury my desires,/And see my dreams corrode with rust;/Now all that left are fruitless fires/That burn my empty heart to dust.
As a lover of Bad Blood and PMP and The Natural and Triangle
I like 'em too, just not all the time. They didn't really define TXF in any special way, either---the plots could easily have been exported to Night Stalker, or Outer Limits, or something.
they're not so wrapped up in the craptastic arc that went nowhere, and are therefore less tainted by my resentment.
You're so right about that. I used to wish that Whedon had had TXF instead of Surfer Dude. TXF (and Millenium) and a touch of that when Morgan and Wong were doing the day-to-day production, but Carter was truly the Hack-who-got-lucky. After what was it, the fourth?, revelation of The Truth About Samantha, I just threw up my hands. And it kept getting worser and worser and worser. I've read here in b.org some people complaining about BtVS melting down in S6-7, but that was nothing to what happened to TXF.
Scrutinizer - May 25, 2004 4:49:29 am PDT #1445 of 3531
I've lived to bury my desires,/And see my dreams corrode with rust;/Now all that left are fruitless fires/That burn my empty heart to dust.
Frankenbuddha - May 25, 2004 4:50:11 am PDT #1446 of 3531
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Now I'll fight to the death for the Ship, but the best XF eps were the early arc episodes, and those are almost never chosen.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this, as I can pretty much only stomach the standalones these days. But that may be in part because I can't forget where the arc went (i.e. nowhere really slowly) enough to see even the good arc-y episodes without feeling a slow burn of rage.