I think Illyria loved Wesley more than Fred did.
I think that Wesley was all Illyria ever loved, whereas Fred had other loves to compare it to.
Wash: Well, I wash my hands of it. It's a hopeless case. I'll read a nice poem at the funeral. Something with imagery. Zoe: You could lock the door and keep the power-hungry maniac at bay. Wash: Oh, no, I'm starting to like this poetry idea now. Here lies my beloved Zoe, my autumn flower, somewhat less attractive now she's all corpsified and gross...
'Shindig'
Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?
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Gandalfe - May 20, 2004 11:21:56 am PDT #1103 of 3531
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.
Narrator - May 20, 2004 11:23:37 am PDT #1104 of 3531
The evil is this way?
I think Illyria loved Wesley more than Fred did.
Yep. He went all crazy for her and everything. What more could a girl immortal being ask for?
§ ita § - May 20, 2004 11:23:47 am PDT #1105 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Why do you think Illyria loved Wes more than Fred did? I think she made an attachment, but I wouldn't put a capital L on it.
Atropa - May 20, 2004 11:25:29 am PDT #1106 of 3531
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.
I think Illyria loved Wesley more than Fred did.
Yep. He went all crazy for her and everything. What more could agirlimmortal being ask for?
Shoes? Minions?
Jessica - May 20, 2004 11:28:30 am PDT #1107 of 3531
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Yep. He went all crazy for her and everything.
'Cause Wes was always so rational about Fred...
§ ita § - May 20, 2004 11:31:33 am PDT #1108 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
'Cause Wes was always so rational about Fred...
Wes hasn't been rational over anything for quite a while. I mean, by those lights, Connor should have boffed him, not Cordy.
Maysa - May 20, 2004 11:37:41 am PDT #1109 of 3531
Why do you think Illyria loved Wes more than Fred did? I think she made an attachment, but I wouldn't put a capital L on it.
This is going to sound really weird, but I think Illyria loved Wesley with a selfless love. She didn't care if he wanted her to be herself or Fred or whomever. She just liked being around him and she wanted to see him at peace. She followed him around all the time. In Origin she got ticked off pretty quickly at Angel when she suspected him of fucking with Wesley's world. Her speech in TGiQ about how she couldn't stand to see anymore grief from anyone, said to me that she couldn't deal with his grief anymore. She was very hurt when he didn't want to be near her and she stopped imitating Fred when he asked her to.
I just think that for Fred, Wesley was a nice guy whom she started viewing romantically years after she met him. I don't think it was ever a deep thing with her. Illyria seemed to need him.
§ ita § - May 20, 2004 11:40:24 am PDT #1110 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I don't know if agape means anything to an ex-god, but I kinda see I/W and F/W as apples and oranges.
Vortex - May 20, 2004 11:40:32 am PDT #1111 of 3531
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
I think that the Illyria love is like the imprinting of a baby chick (like someone said earlier) She didn't know what else to do, so she tried to make her guide happy (like when she went with Wes to the sorcerer's house)
Micole - May 20, 2004 11:41:24 am PDT #1112 of 3531
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.
I think Illyria loved Wesley with a selfless love.
I think Illyria loved Wesley with a baby duckling love.
No, seriously. He was her guide. He made the world make sense to her. She imprinted on him, she loved him, she followed him -- in an infantile way. I don't mean this as an insult. I mean, literally, that she depended on him as much as an infant depends on its mother, although her needs were emotional, psychological, and philosophical, rather than emotional and physical.