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Kat - May 17, 2004 1:16:57 pm PDT #420 of 668
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Okay.. Barrel Bear, better or worse than Safety Canary?


Kristen - May 17, 2004 1:17:37 pm PDT #421 of 668

And she was doing the dance of the mid-20's... with the I like you, don't I like you, I won't tell you I like you shit going on.

Yes. Which is why, after I mulled, I decided to give Eric a break. Yeah, he was a cruel ass. But she was playing games with his heart. Or something else that isn't the title of a Backstreet Boys song. And, fuck, if it isn't stuck in my head already.

DUDE! You MARRIED the woman! Now you're going to be annoyed by those things that made you want her?

Yes. Though I think that's kind of realistic. Most of the relationships I've been witness to have had that bizarre, "Oh I love you. You're so perfect. Or, at least, you will be once I grind you down to a pulp and then build you back up again in the image I think you should be."

Jaye's relationship with Sharon is my favorite dynamic

I loved the family dynamic. That sense of "we're all insane and we fight like hell amongst ourselves but outsiders shouldn't mess with us." I loved the Mahandra-Jaye friendship. I even liked the Mahandra-Aaron romance, once I got past the thoroughly random hookup issue. But I still have a sort of love/hate thing going on with the Eric-Jaye of it all. Except not as strong as love or hate.

I'm glad that they ended up together. I'm just not so sure I would want to see them together. Which leads to...

I know this is probably super controversial, but I can't see how there would have been a second season of Wonderfalls.

I don't think it's super controversial. But maybe that's because I'm with you. I mean, I can see how there could be a second season but I'm not sure if it would be quite the same show. And I don't know that I would have watched. Especially if it had gone on without that one dude.

I'm sad that it was cancelled but I kind of like the completeness of the 13. I fear it could have only gone downhill from there.


§ ita § - May 17, 2004 1:18:24 pm PDT #422 of 668
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Safety Canary had a point. Stuff happened, that counted in subsequent episodes.


Allyson - May 17, 2004 1:18:55 pm PDT #423 of 668
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I think he'd have settled for open or honest. Or vaguely reasonable.

Nope. I think he wanted her all insane and irrational. He thought it was exciting. But he wanted all that and a guarantee, too.


§ ita § - May 17, 2004 1:21:27 pm PDT #424 of 668
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But he wanted all that and a guarantee, too.

When, post-kiss, did he ask her for more than an explanation of her feelings?


Kristen - May 17, 2004 1:21:37 pm PDT #425 of 668

Barrel Bear, better or worse than Safety Canary?

I didn't really hate it that much. But that could just be me reacting to Allyson's reaction.

I think he wanted her all insane and irrational.

I think he wanted offbeat and quirky. He wasn't counting on schizo.


Kat - May 17, 2004 1:23:07 pm PDT #426 of 668
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I'm sad that it was cancelled but I kind of like the completeness of the 13. I fear it could have only gone downhill from there.

This is me.

Yes, Wonderfalls could continue on with what Allyson was talking about. I do think exploring her relationships with family and friends would have been cool. But a lot of the frission of the romantic-comedy part of it wouldn't be present without going the soap opera route.

And, even though I craved knowing what all the accumulated tchotchkes (the ones that Aaron had in his room) said and did (especially the pink poodle purse), I have to say the cryptic tchotchke of the week thing might suck.


Kat - May 17, 2004 1:23:50 pm PDT #427 of 668
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I don't have the same hate on for Barrel Bear as I do for certain facets of Totem Mole.


§ ita § - May 17, 2004 1:26:19 pm PDT #428 of 668
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I give Safety Canary and Totem Mole points for having points (although there wasn't much room to see a payoff for Totem Mole). I hate 2 things about Safety Canary -- about everyone getting it on, and casting two actors who look like birds. I hate Totem Mole for not being meta enough to play with the cliché.

I'm not sure who was in Barrell Bear. But I think the main reason I hate it is that there are only thirteen episodes, and one of them has no point? We don't have enough time for that!


Kat - May 17, 2004 1:29:07 pm PDT #429 of 668
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Barrell Bear's point was that sometimes you have to sell your soul to escape and is that worth it?

And, by the no point criteria, then is Wound Up Penguin better or worse than Safety Canary/Totem Mole.