UTTAD, I'm thinking the idea that one person (whoever the hell they are) not seeing an issue is a faulty method of determining if that issue exists. And dismissive of those who do see it.

Which -- you cop to later, but I think that's what Kat was reacting to in her post.

But we don't even have a statistical sample. Cindy may very well be the minority.

You missed my memo about too much talking and not enough thinking. :)

Okay, being told that since Cindy didn't see the stereotyping while reading the script that there must not be stereotyping at all seems kinda like bullshit to me. Basically, it's a sly way of saying those of us who saw the episode and took away an issue from it are being oversensitive.

And that, quite frankly, pisses me off, offends my sensibilities and I would have prefered that you not have done it.

Clearer now?

Non sequitar alert: WRT the Snowy Owl.

While scampering around Petroglyph, there was some signage about macaws (there's a petroglyph or two of macaws) and how they were traded between groups from pretty far and wide. It made me think of the snowy owl thing (not that NM has snowy owls either) and giggle.

UTTAD, I'm thinking the idea that one person (whoever the hell they are) not seeing an issue is a faulty method of determining if that issue exists. And dismissive of those who do see it.

As I said: me= too much talk, not enough thought. And I was aware that I was being dismissive, which is why I backed out with no grace and my tail between my legs. Guac all over my face.

Okay, being told that since Cindy didn't see the stereotyping while reading the script that there must not be stereotyping at all seems kinda like bullshit to me. Basically, it's a sly way of saying those of us who saw the episode and took away an issue from it are being oversensitive.

I didn't say there was no stereotyping. And I don't say things in a sly way. If I wanted to say something I would have. I also realised I was was wrong in what I said and I backed down quickly.

No, you didn't say there was no stereotyping. You did say, "What I mean is, if you needed to have these things pointed out to you then they could'nt've come across very strongly in the first place. " Which means what? That there was but it doesn't matter if it has to be pointed out?

I also realised I was was wrong in what I said and I backed down quickly.

Sure, you backed down quickly which I saw after I posted. But since you wanted clarification on what I said, I gave it.

Personally, I am not really concerned enough to continue thrashing about it.

I'm still contemplating macaws in the desert at 7000 feet and snowy owls.

For the record, Smallville is doing a tribal chanting, glowing power-giving holy Indian relic right now.

Is it because to do something like that with Judeochristianity is blasphemy? Or putting you into Left Behind territory?

So after all the posts I've read here I had to read the script for myself. My thoughts are a bit jumbled at the moment after just reading the episode, but I have a feeling that I would be able to watch this episode without getting too upset over the misrepresentations. My parents? Who are Haudenosaunee (traditional longhouse people) would have issues with some of the events. The body of Gentlefeather in the wigwam for the most part unattended and be so accessible that Jaye can just walk in and stumble over her would not go over well with them.

As for the DropSquadWhiteyHating!BornAgainEducatedIndian stereotype, that trope does not seem to be played out often in American media. I have no idea why, however it is often played out in Canadian TV. From what I have read, Diana actually did seem to have the makings of a good leader. It just seems like she just needed some direction and new priorities. How was she portrayed in the episode?

Supposedly all the headdress and wardrobe were gleaned from Iroquois tradition.

Since I haven't seen the episode the word "headdress" leads me to believe that it was more POW wow costuming than any traditional Gustoweh.

Some slight nitpicking now. Didn't Mahandra reveal in "Muffin Buffalo" that she was Seneca and not Satsuma?

Yes. She said she was 3% Seneca.

I succumbed.

I saw the face of a million miracles.