I do know it feels rather soon to start discussing this and changing the initial vote and whatnot. There's just no reason for the agita of all of David's new proposals above when we have the threads open for another couple weeks.

Those threads close two weeks from today, right? So if we want the in-thread conversation to be continuous, don't we require a few days of disucssion and then a few days of voting?

OTOH, most shows end this week or next, so maybe we won't have much to discuss in two weeks.

Other than possibly fine tuning whitefont rules, I think they're good as they stand. I was just thinking if we want to do the discussion and any possible voting before they run out, we can have a seamless transfer to whatever new format we decide on.

OTOH, most shows end this week or next, so maybe we won't have much to discuss in two weeks.

This. I'm not worried too about continuity.

If I were king of the forest, we'd let these threads runs their course before making any new proposals. Then we have the whole summer to let people propose stuff. To me, there's little sense in proposing new threads right now. Most of those shows (on a conventional schedule) which haven't aired their finales already will do so within the next week. We have plenty of time to breathe, here.

And I may be in the minority, but Natter these days feels kind of empty without the TV talk.

I don't know about the minority, but you are not alone on that point.

I really only watch one show when the network tells me I should, and the rest are watched whenever I get around to it. If I watch something 5 days after it airs, I feel comfortable posting about it in Natter, because people might join in, and if not, there are other non-tv discussions also going on. (though this is lessening because of the expectation I at least feel to stick to the "right" thread) With the experimentals, I have to worry about being spoiled for other shows, and about breaking into other tv based discussions with people who have already discussed whatever I just watched and moved on.

t potential can of worms

Also, I don't like the experimentals because they seem very rigid and rule oriented to me. We are supposed to discuss this set of shows here, but that set of shows over there, and that third set over in the other thread, and all of them have different whitefont policies, and people who discuss shows outside of that system are gently told "no, go over there", even after they have said that over there doesn't work for them. It feels like a climate change for the board, and it's not one I'm really enthusiastic about.

t /can of worms.

and people who discuss shows outside of that system are gently told "no, go over there", even after they have said that over there doesn't work for them.

I don't mean to argue this point too much, but has that really been happening? I haven't picked up on it, if so.

Maybe t braces self people who are pointing out the other threads informationally need to be more careful about their wording, and people who don't want to go to those threads need to be more upfront about saying "oh, I know, I'd just prefer to talk about it here."

Alternatively, and this maybe gets back more towards what Cindy intended, do we want to consider t braces again further dividing things, so that the TV threads are more specifically focused on whatever the top few shows that came out of this are in each thread, and kick the rest back to Natter?

t brac-- screw it, ducks and runs It's pretty obvious we need more discussion on all of this.

I don't think that's opening a can of worms. I just think different people like different shit. t /Jesse

I never talked TV in Natter, hated that it was so spread out and hated the whitefont. Obviously there are people who don't mind the whitefont and prefer to discuss TV in Natter.

For me the experimental threads are a much better choice. But there's clearly a variety of views on the subject.

The only rule I've seen in the experimentals is "all yur TV talk belong to us"--for a given set of TV talk, that is. We can discuss the entire Mike Rowe ouvre in Non Fiction, bounce around to the haircut and fashion reality shows, then come back to some strange thing someone saw that no else knew about. The broader genre discussion invites mentions of obscure shows that only two or three people may have seen, and that kind of discussion probably wouldn't come up in Natter because of all the varying streams of conversation.

In Network Drama, it may not get the kind of indepth philosophical analysis I see people doing with Supernatural, but it's easier to discuss the whole broad spectrum of drama as shown on TV. That's hard to do in Natter as well, without getting diverted into work or dry cleaning discussions.

all of them have different whitefont policies

Lee, for what it's worth (I don't expect this to make you like the threads any better, just want you to have the information if you can use it)

NAFDA:
Network Drama thread
Comedy thread
Non-Fiction TV

WHITE FONT FOR 24 HOURS
Cable Drama thread

I don't think you opened a can of worms, either. Personally, I was never trying to establish these threads for their own sakes. I wanted to see what people talked about, what worked together, what didn't.

People redirecting TV talk out of Natter are absolutely wrong to be doing so. They need to be told when they do that. It seems to me that if all the people who have expressed missing TV talk in Natter today, would start talking about TV in Natter again, there would be plenty of TV talk left in Natter, but that could just be an impression.

Personally, I missed TV talk when I was in Natter, because I'm almost never at the computer when I'm watching TV.