( continues...) that season (or whenever; the concept of a set fall season has eroded over the last five years) and you never lose that specific thread. Boxed Set saw the additions of The Dresden Files, Blood Ties, etc. this season without any meta consideration, and ideally other Bucket threads would operate the same way. Where does [new show about x who fights crime with y] go? In the procedurals thread! Etc.

And with respect to my fellow Buffistas, while I understand not wanting to be spoiled for a show even by skimming through a bucket thread, I don't think that does much for participation overall. NAFDA has always been a due consideration in all of our threads wrt blackfont. I don't think bucket threads are exempt from that, and since I am in support of bucket threads, I think skimming is a necessary evil in support of community discussion overall.

And, as a final note, while I wouldn't be advserse to the idea of discussing international airing shows in the Unamerican thread (Hustle, anyone? Starting in April!), it would still need to be whitefont because it's only airing in the UK. And that's not really what the show is for anyhow. It would be nice to have a place for blackfont discussion of, okay, of UK shows. But it's something that can fit into other places with whitefont, I think. (Unless other people want one.)

That was a lot to respond to. Whew.

Don't take away my bucket! t /Justine

And with respect to my fellow Buffistas, while I understand not wanting to be spoiled for a show even by skimming through a bucket thread, I don't think that does much for participation overall. NAFDA has always been a due consideration in all of our threads wrt blackfont.

I agree. And there have been many times I have unsubbed from Boxed Set for a few hundred posts because I was behind in one show or another. Then I catch up and either skip or skim and jump back inthread.

If someone is waiting for dvds on a show, unless there is a dvd w&p at some point, that show is not going to be talked about in a time frame that works, as far as I can see.

And maybe I am looking at it wrong but I sort of feel it is like how I never read Harry Potter 6, and eventually I got massively spoiled because the world sort of goes blackfont after something is out there for a while. I knew the risks.

I know, it's not always the easiest community discussion and decision process to have (or retroedit) bucket threads and groupings instead of dedicated show threads, but the cross pollination works, I think.

It has for me. There are many shows that I have only caught at all or given more than a one episode's worth of chance to because of Buffista flailings and meta and just general discussion.

I, personally, like being exposed to all of the different things out there that we watch. The reason I want to talk about shows here as opposed to pretty much anywhere else on the internets is that we are here. And us is good.

I don't know what the answer is... I wish something shone bright and true and workable...

I think starting out with some sort of bucket experiment from now through May might show us which types of show offer enough meat for sustained discussion, and which shows are thread-worthy on their own.

I don't really have a problem with the big buckets. I don't have a problem with single show threads. I don't have a problem with blackfont on shows I haven't seen -- I can scroll by. I don't have a problem with white font -- I can highlight it.

it would still need to be whitefont because it's only airing in the UK

And the US, but your point still stands.

Going back a bit, here's my issue with single-show threads where there are long hiatuses - they don't tend to die down, they tend to devolve into natter. (Even Minearverse, which is sort of a serial single-show thread, frequently becomes the "crafts & soaps" thread when Tim doesn't have a show on the air for a while.) And that's when the community gets splintered -- not when generally participatory Buffistas gather in a separate thread to discuss one show, but during the hiatuses when Show-only-istas stay in that one thread to natter instead of venturing out into the wider world of Buffistadom. When threads have a wider participant base to begin with, the more likely it is that that user base will include a majority of people who participate in more than one thread.

Jessica, I don't want to eclipse your point, but here's some additional thoughts.

So, in an attempt to support the concept of bucket threads better, I've wasted a lot of my "very important" work hours going through the list of currently-airing shows at epguides.com to try and cobble together some idea of what bucket threads could be like. For ease and to keep me from going nuts, I've only included the shows that are on right now, and not shows that have aired in the past; I suspect that, should bucket threads be established, the threads will be self-regulating with regards to both cancelled television and new television. (Maybe that's asking too much, but we've done it before, so here's hoping.) This is a very imperfect design, and it's likely that I've not only left out something, but that we might want something different, or not want something, or whatever.

Procedurals Thread - House, The Unit, Without a Trace, CSI(s), Numb3rs, jericho (?), Bones, The Closer, Cold Case, NCIS, Criminal Minds, Law and Order(s)

Dramedies - Ugly Betty, The Office, Studio 60, Monk, Psych, Grey's, Gilmore Girls, The Boondocks, others(?)

Serious Drama - 24, Friday Night Lights, Prison Break, others(?)

UK TV - Spooks, Hustle, Robin Hood, maybe Doctor Who as it airs in the UK, and keep Doctor Who as it airs in the US in Boxed Set?

caveats: I have almost certainly left out shows people are watching; lines on these shows can be somewhat unclear, ie what I would call a dramedy others would call a sitcom; the same audience isn't there for both FNL and 24 (for example) (though that might not be a problem, really, because we have identified cross-germination as a positive and not something that would hold us back); Procedurals is kind of big and we might want to break it down in some other way; I didn't include sitcom comedies, because I don't think they sustain the kind of focused discussion we are talking about here; and I still want the FX shows in Premium.

er, a lot of caveats. imperfection abounds.

Jessica, I don't want to eclipse your point, but here's some additional thoughts.

Eclipse away! I'm so sick of the sound of my own voice right now it's not funny.

Studio 60

Not strictly relevant, but it's pretty likely that this has been canceled. (Coming up on sweeps in less than a month and no new eps announced.)

I know--I actually meant to put in parentheses "cancelled?" but I figured it supported the Dramedies thing, and might have a spittin' chance of being renewed.

(Even Minearverse, which is sort of a serial single-show thread, frequently becomes the "crafts & soaps" thread when Tim doesn't have a show on the air for a while.)

For the most part, the single show threads seem to die down (even the natter) if there aren't new episodes. Show news and reruns prompt mild discussion in the other threads, which then tapers to natter and then to pretty much nothing. Minearverse isn't a show thread. It's a personality thread, which I think is part of the difference.

Firefly is probably the biggest exception to what I've said above, and even then, the volume is pretty low unless something is happening in the fandom and one of us imports it to the thread. Heroes, VM, Lost -- there's little activity there during hiatus.

(Hustle, anyone? Starting in April!),

SO EXCITED. NEXT WEEK!!!!!!! Umm, sorry, got distracted. Anyway, I support the bucket "genre" idea. I think that it will introduce new shows to people, people who like one procedural probably watch others, and it won't take up too much bandwith.

SA's proposal seems reasonable to me. I am interested in how this will play out with the Premium shows, though, because many are not easily classifiable and have more in common with each other than with the bucket connections. The Wire, for instance, isn't as much a procedural as it is a portrait of modern America in crisis. As such, it has a lot in common with Deadwood (a portrait of frontier America in crisis) and The Sopranos (a portrait of family in crisis, which puts it in a bucket with what? Six Feet Under? Family dramas? It's about to end, so point is moot, I guess). I'm very excited about the upcoming John From Cincinatti series, but have no idea how to classify it, either (philosophical surfers?).