I'm not sure thematic linkage of "cussing and fucking" shows is any less bright a line than we currently have in Boxed Set.

You don't think that science fiction and fantasy TV is a brighter line that "cussing and fucking"? I don't get that.

It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise, and as Jessica notes, I was referring to cussin' and fuckin' shows, not the entirety of FX's television line-up.

What makes a "cussing and fucking" show? Why FX's cussing and fucking shows? Perhaps they're the only non-premium channel doing it (I have no idea), but "FX original serial drama" doesn't say or imply "cussing and fucking." If the half/hour or non-serial drama ups the profanity, it's still not included, even though the non-bright line of "cussing and fucking" includes it?

I can't make useful and predictive sense of what would go in the new

Since the definition of what goes in Premium is something that was voted on, I assume that changing the definition of Premium is something that should be voted on.

That's exactly the purpose of Boxed Set. That's why we created Boxed Set in the first place.

The reason we created Boxed Set in the first place was to consolidate a number of threads that had thematically similar TV content being discussed.

I will note again that I am not asking for Premium to become a general television thread,

Never meant to imply you did.

and I don't think that my suggestion makes for a more slippery slope into a de facto general television thread

It's plain that you think the definition of which shows to include is a bright line one, otherwise you wouldn't do it. But the more interpretation that's left up to the reader (especially the ones from outside the thread that weren't in on the genesis of the idea) the more one edges towards that slippery slope.

Which is exactly why I love bright lines, even when I totally understand an inclusion or exclusion.

On the one hand, I'm unlikely to ever use that thread much, regardless of what it covers. But I like clear definitions. "Thematically similar to HBO/Showtime programs" is only helpful if I've a) watched more than a couple of episodes of any HBO/Showtime programs, and b) understand why you think certain FX shows have notably similar themes. I haven't, and I don't.

So basically, what ita said.

Additionally... I assume that the FX shows are currently discussed in Natter. Maybe the people doing that don't currently post in Premium, and don't want to. Even if those who regularly use Premium love the idea, why is it only up to them?

If you had to vote on creating the thread with a distinct purpose, it seems weird to just consense to change that purpose six months later. Would people who voted for (or against) the topic have voted the same way if FX had been included from the start? The idea of including other cable programming was discussed when the proposal was originally made. [link]

Huh. It's kind of weird, looking back at that discussion and seeing Gus' name.

As far as broadening the discussion topic, I think it's a fair point that Strega makes. It's an issue that was raised, and the proposer declined to include it in the proposal.

Who else posts in Premium and is in favor of this? I don't read it, so I don't know, and I don't want the whole burden to be on SA.

Here's another take on it -- I don't post in Premium, but I watch FX. I'd rather not go into a thread that mostly discusses shows I can't watch just to talk about the few that I do.

Well, I think somehow the concept of exclusivity was introduced, and I didn't bring it.

I'm not proposing that we should include FX shows in Premium at the exclusion of discussion of those shows in Natter or wherever people do talk about them. I am only asking that we have the freedom to discuss them there without policing the discussion.

Even if those who regularly use Premium love the idea, why is it only up to them?

It's not, which is why it's being brought up here instead of simply in-thread.

Who else posts in Premium and is in favor of this?

I post in Premium but I think it should continue to be used for the purpose for which it was originally created. Basically for the reasons that ita put forth and I don't think it's fair to people who can't get the premium shows and plan on watching them in the future to have to go into the thread to talk about a non-premium cable show. But I kind of love white font discussion of shows that don't fit into established threads in Natter. It makes it so much easier to stay unspoiled for shows I want to see eventually and easier to skip over discussion of shows that I don't care about.

I'm not proposing that we should include FX shows in Premium at the exclusion of discussion of those shows in Natter or wherever people do talk about them. I am only asking that we have the freedom to discuss them there without policing the discussion.

Now I'm confused. You want to have discussions on the same shows in two different threads?

Sure. Why not? The people who talk about it in Natter can talk about it in Natter. The people who want to talk about it in Premium can talk about it in Premium.

And it's not like we don't all skip over show discussion of shows we don't watch or don't want to be spoiled for all the time.

I'm definitely seeing a pattern here of people who want to be able to discuss shows without having to wade through Natter (and possibly also whitefont) vs. people who want Natter to encompass everything including TV discussions.

Is the dreaded general TV thread, only non-NAFDA (that is, with Natter white font rules), a possible compromise. It obviously won't work for the white font haters, but I don't think there's ever going to be a solution that satisfies everyone, but maybe we have start comptemplating something or this discussion is just going to keep burbling up every few months.

I keep up in Natter just barely, and to the point where I feel like that all I do is keep up, and, more often than not, the TV discussions I'd be part of have gone way by and anything I'd add would probably get lost in the white noise.