'Lineage'
A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.
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Steph, I think you're probably right, and it's likely my fault.
I'm sure that you've contributed, and -- unlike almost all of the other Buffistas -- you have an actual personal relationship with Tim, so your feelings about his work and criticism thereof are justifiably strong.
But you are *far* from the only person who contributes to the Don't Dis The Minear attitude. Seriously.
you have an actual personal relationship with Tim, so your feelings about his work and criticism thereof are justifiably strong.
This...but not to the point where people don't want to discuss things because they don't want to deal with the byproduct.
I remember getting into some pretty decent arguments in Wonderfalls about certain things I couldn't stand about the show.
I also remember (maybe at Worldcrossing?) when I started to really dislike Angel, and it was an unwelcome thing to vent about why.
I think part of that is what you said before about dislike of a show not really leading into much discussion after a while.
I think part of that is what you said before about dislike of a show not really leading into much discussion after a while.
This is the main thing for me. I didn't avoid posting about Firefly because I was afraid people would flame me; I just didn't have much to say that I hadn't already said. My dislike didn't have layers and complexities, like, "And THIS week's episode gave me a whole NEW thing to hate!"
FWIW, I think the tone of a thread varies a lot. I divorced Angel acrimoniously, and got no flak saying so in-thread; I had serious issues with Firefly, and got no flak for saying so in-thread. I wonder, a bit, if I would get flak for saying so now, about that latter, because the only people who seem to talk in the Firefly thread are positivists about the show and/or movie; but I haven't tested that recently.
If Minearverse has a personality problem -- i.e., it's not welcoming the way other threads are welcoming -- how would we fix that? Because, you can slap individual hands, but it's very hard to change a personality.
I mean, I suppose that airing the issue for the general population is one way of trying to fix a thread-personality? Like the irregular metaphor-caucusing we always used to do whenever we worried what the Buffistas would end up being. (Notice how we don't do that nearly as much any more.)
Okay, I'm going to say something that may be unpopular here, but since we're being encouraged to air our opinons, here goes.
Juliebird made a relatively innocuous comment about the promos. it was so innocuous to me that I didn't even know what the kerfuffle was about. Yes, the "it gets better, right" was snarky, but we're snarky.
Allyson then posts that she knows that it's irrational, but she wants to (metaphorically) punch anyone in the nose who says that Tim or Kristen suck. I think that she was saying "hey, please remember that the folks involved in the show are not just names on a script, but actual friends. As such, personal criticism of them will be taken, well, personally."
I think that she made a valid point. We often will call a writer or producer or especially a network executive, all kinds of names, but we don't know them. Tim and Kristen are posters on this board, and as such, community standards regarding discussion of them and their work should be upheld. I mean, no one would read some fic that someone posted and say mean things; we just need to remember that Tim and Kristen's work happens to be seen on television.
HOWEVER, this does not mean that the show cannot be criticized. We have the right to not like things. Any issue just must be expressed in a respectful manner. And Allyson saying that she wants to punch people in the nose sounds like she will go apeshit on anyone who says anything bad about the show. That's not what I think she meant, but the initial reaction upon reading the post is "whoa!", particularly in response to such an innocuous comment.
I said all that to say, we don't need a big discussion (yes, I'm a total hypocrite, sue me), just to remember that Tim and Kristen are board members, so any discussion of their work is subject to community standards.
I said all that to say, we don't need a big discussion (yes, I'm a total hypocrite, sue me), just to remember that Tim and Kristen are board members, so any discussion of their work is subject to community standards.
Actually, I'd sorta disagree with this last part. I think any discussion of THEM - as opposed to their work - is subject to community standards. I think "this (show, writing, acting - thinking of Eureka here, etc.) sux" posts aren't (unless they cross some other standard of offensiveness), but I also think they're not gonna generate much but disdain and snark if that's the level of discourse involved.
And Allyson saying that she wants to punch people in the nose sounds like she will go apeshit on anyone who says anything bad about the show.
Really? I'm not going to try and tell you what you took of it, since you're pretty clear, but I'm curious about others...her words didn't say this to me, nor her tone, and it's only with other people mentioning it that I even considered this interpretation.
I am with Frank. At least because we don't have any community standards for product, and we do for people.
good point. I'm thinking of it as I wouldn't say anything on the board that I wouldn't say if they were standing there.
It's kind of pointless to discuss why you dislike a show/book/whatever. I mean, yeah, you've got some initial grousing, but after that, what else is there to say? "Yeah, man -- still sucks, yeah." There's really no point -- to me -- in posting, because that isn't exactly intelligent discourse.
I disagree with this on principle, but I think it came out as more of a blanket statement than you probably intended -- certainly, one can have an intelligent and articulate argument over why something does or doesn't work. (Otherwise, what were we doing during almost all of Buffy S6 and 7?)
And Allyson saying that she wants to punch people in the nose sounds like she will go apeshit on anyone who says anything bad about the show.
Really? I'm not going to try and tell you what you took of it, since you're pretty clear, but I'm curious about others...her words didn't say this to me, nor her tone, and it's only with other people mentioning it that I even considered this interpretation.I said this in thread that after I posted a snark directed entirely towards Fox I was expecting a metaphorical punch in the nose. And I wasn't commenting on Tim, Kristen or TV's hit Drive in my snark.
For the record, all I got was a chide from Monique that I didn't take badly. But I did apologize for my snark because of the culture in Minearverse. In any other thread? I wouldn't have.