Tamara said: However, since I know Juliebird, I am pretty sure that her comment wasn't coming from a "oh, that sucks" place as much as a "objectively, that didn't grab me as much as I would have liked and maybe I am not the ads demo" kinda place.

Knowing Allyson, I didn't take her post as, "Anyone who says shit about this show or my friends is gonna pimp-slapped." I can see how it was read as that, but like I said, knowing Allyson as I do and knowing how much she loves this community and the people in it and how much respect she has for it, the possibility of her taking it over the line never occured to me.

(Not attacking Tamara or anything. Just using that post as an example cause she knows JulieBird as I know Allyson. That's all. Does that make sense?)

Also, I had no beef with any of the posts. To put that out there and was really kind of confused when it had to come over here from Minearverse. I mean, no one asked Allyson over there to clarify or called her on her posts, that I recall. I know everyone's ping meter is different, mine just didn't go off. I just read what Allyson was saying as discussion, not trying to start anything.

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Joe, I'm not sure that I was that unclear.

I was expressing something I was thinking, which is that I feel irrational, and wanting to stomp on someone for the comment made by Juliebird is an irrational thing, and that I feel like ass about that.

The second thing, that "I reserve the right..." is a right I think anyone has, here, when a Buffista is personally attacked, which is to go shithouse in their own special way...and by that, I don't mean something that gets one a warning in Bureau.

There's a difference between legit crit, and a personal attack, and that difference is, "I think the writing was hackish because..." and "I think that Buffista is a talentless hack."

I didn't get one thing from the other, I was talking about the difference between irrational response, and what sort of post would make that response a rational one.

I think it's rational to go mamabear when a friend gets kicked in the balls. Since Juliebird's post wasn't a kick in the balls, I brought up the sort of thing that deserves to be kravved.

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I suppose since my ears have been ringing for the past several days I ought to chime in. I've been sitting on my own hands and pondering before I came back and said something stupid. I'll probably do that anyhoo. So, yes, my name has been bouncing around a lot, and I'm not sure if walking back through the mud to get the mop will help at all, but here goes some rambling thoughts:

-while I was initially a mite buzzed by Allyson's curtness, I realized that she was in a far better position to judge how accurately the promo represented the show. So it was a fair point.

-Regardless of that, I'll be reserving judgment on the show itself until I actually see it. Right now, as Tamara said (thank you, you were spot on), I feel that perhaps I'm not the demographic the promo was targeting (assumption & personal opinion, of course)

- I did not feel that I was unwelcome in the thread, but I did feel strong disinterest in the reasons why the promo didn't grab me. So I didn't bother to continue with discussing it. I would have liked to have felt welcome to watch again and perhaps change my mind. Some people need to be courted a little more than others, I'd like to see patience for that, and an interest in discussing the "why's" rather than a dismissiveness.

-Regardless of who made the promos, my first impression was meh. Not that I think I was accused directly or indirectly of this, but this did not mean that I was saying Drive was meh. I don't know that.

-having had mere *vids* of mine criticized, however lightly or severely, I completely understand Allyson's protectiveness of Drive. I was a little shocked by the frankness of the "metaphorical nose punching", but took that to mean she was admitting what she had felt *previously*.

-I don't think I'm upset with Allyson or anyone, especially since she surprised me with her admission that she was acting irrationally when I had not expressed being upset (I'd been sitting on my own hands)

There's a lot of other things said by others in tangent that I felt were unrelated to me. Maybe they were. This has all gotten rather too tangled for my wee brain. Maybe I should be more offended, but it's all so messy that I'm not sure what was said, what was apologized for, what was meant but miscommunicated. Some things that I thought were jokes and people being witty are now Issues and in need of apologies. I don't know. I'm just a little embarrassed to have my name popping up everywhere.

So, if this would help to settle things somewhat, I'll state for myself that I'm cool. If there are other issues, okay, but me? I'm good.

Allyson: perhaps I should have said "different" rather than "better", since I was using that word subjectively. Tamara really summed up what I was unable to express clearly. I'm grateful for your admission of being irrational. I think we're good.

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Did I make things worse? Or better? I always get when to speak and not speak backwards.

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Days like this, I can't believe anyone pays me to write.

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Since no one else is posting I'm guessing this isn't the deal I thought it was.

For what it's worth, I read the original comment the way you did, as an invitation to try a different thread. I didn't bother to read much further than that, because I was kind of amazed that such an innocuous comment about not liking a promo generated the response it did (not just in thread, but elsewhere). I didn't read the second post and the discussion that followed it until now.

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Joe, I'm not sure that I was that unclear.

Here's the relevant section without any elisions, just added emphasis to make my reasoning clear.

But you know, I reserve the right to go mental on anyone who says that Tim or Kristen are talentless hacks who smell of poo. That's Stompy-worthy, I think.

Does this make sense? Just putting it out there. Again. I'm unsure if Monique gets that same feeling of defensiveness, but it's where I went with Juliebird's post.

My initial kneejerk reaction was to metaphorically punch her in the nose

Maybe I misintrepreted the juxtaposition of "talentless hacks" and "it's where I went with Juliebird's post" as causing your reaction instead of just being sequential thoughts, but that's how I read it. And ultimately her post said, I like Tim & Nathan so much that even though I'm underwhelmed by the promos I still plan to watch their show. Which isn't at all like calling them talentless hacks who smell of poo.

Sorry about the late response which will make it seem like I'm belaboring the point even more than if I responded promptly, but I'm at work & being at least semi-conscientious. I also apologize if it seems like I decided to pile on by not saying anything in Minearverse & jumping in here. The conversation had already jumped threads by the time I got to it.

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(not just in thread, but elsewhere)

Out of curiousity, do you mean elsewhere on the board or other threads? Because if you mean elsewhere and are referencing what I think you are referencing, it's interesting that it wasn't Allyson who mentioned the post first. So the way Juliebird's post pinged HER is not unique to Allyson either.

I'm amazed at Allyson's response (sorry to pyschoanalyze, sugar), but not surprised. Allyson has a fierce loyalty to those she loves, and that includes Tim and Kristen. I think because she knows sort of the background of whom wrote what on promos and it makes her even more fiercely protective (misplaced perhaps).

That being said, it's a tough balance between biting one's tongue and being protective, and one that we all face. It's a tough balance for me even over things I generally agree with, because, for example reading

I didn't bother to read much further than that... I didn't read the second post and the discussion that followed it until now.

makes me want to jump up and protect Allyson who is certainly capable of protecting herself. On my read, it's almost as dismissive in tone to me as Allyson's original comment (which itself was harsher than I'd like).

So I don't have a solution, because I think EVERYONE gets protective of people. Should it impede our discussion? Probably not, and I think it's fair to say, it probably won't. But she did apologize in thread which for me is an okay, we can move on signal.

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Since no one else is posting I'm guessing this isn't the deal I thought it was.

Joining in late (hey, today I actually concentrated on work—cue startled people fainting) to say that I got a similar feeling of unease to that bon bon and Joe got from that set of posts. While ALL conversations here should maintain civility toward all posters as a matter of course, I don't like the idea of people who aren't captivated by a buffista's creative work feeling they should slink away and never comment on the subject. The tone of those posts read to me as "I can't tell you to get out if you're not complimentary toward the new show, but know that you'll be unwelcome."

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I never took the "go mental on...talentless hacks...poo" statement to refer to me. I thought that was a declaration of action for future incidents that overstepped bounds that I had not.

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she did apologize in thread...

agreed

...we can move on...

please?

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