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Bureaucracy 3: Oh, so now you want to be part of the SOLUTION?  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

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P.M. Marc - May 25, 2004 10:22:55 am PDT #816 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Do you think my basic premise is unsound?

Yes.

What's your experience in other boards, Ple?

Screw other boards. My experience *here* has been that factionalization increases with each new thread.


msbelle - May 25, 2004 10:24:05 am PDT #817 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I think because of meeting and natter and lj and backchannel that factionization has already happened. The people I don't post with I probably wouldn't post with in a thread about why I am always right.


Jesse - May 25, 2004 10:34:11 am PDT #818 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I do think historically the music thread and the literary thread have pulled people in from other groups.

Barely. Especially wrt the music thread. It's a pretty small number of posters in there, and it's a fairly intimidating group, honestly. I'll post there because I don't give a shit, but I can definitely see people not wanting to get into it because the stuff they want to talk about is the wrong stuff.


Lyra Jane - May 25, 2004 10:37:22 am PDT #819 of 10001
Up with the sun

I can definitely see people not wanting to get into it because the stuff they want to talk about is the wrong stuff.

And of course that's self-perpetuating. I'm much more likely to post about Neko Case there than Evanescence, because I know one is "right" to like and the other isn't, but probably more people have opinions on Evanescence.

I'm not sure I see a solution, though, other than Jesse cloning herself.


Jesse - May 25, 2004 10:39:43 am PDT #820 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Well, it's not like I post in there a lot anyway. Even in the movies thread, which I feel like should be much less like that, I feel like more often than not, I'm posting into a void. Don't know why, it's not a huge issue, but there it is. Every thread is different.


DavidS - May 25, 2004 10:41:40 am PDT #821 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Yes.

Could you elaborate on that a little bit so I could have the benefit of your thoughts on it? I'm not interested in pushing an agenda, and it would help me sort through it.

Screw other boards. My experience *here* has been that factionalization increases with each new thread.

I'm interested in your previous experience because I'm approaching this as an issue of board/community dynamics. What happens when it gets too big? What happens when all the satellite groups lose the center?

I don't see the subcommunities to necessarily be a faction in the negative sense. People get to know each other, they establish relationships - all inevitable. I just think that topic driven threads allow entry into the group more readily. You're not obliged to talk about yourself or know the history of the other posters - just the subject under discussion.

I think because of meeting and natter and lj and backchannel that factionization has already happened. The people I don't post with I probably wouldn't post with in a thread about why I am always right.

Again, there will always be some subgroups and subcommunities and individual relationships formed. I just think having the equivalent of show threads is healthier for the board long term.


Polter-Cow - May 25, 2004 10:41:50 am PDT #822 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I'll post there because I don't give a shit, but I can definitely see people not wanting to get into it because the stuff they want to talk about is the wrong stuff.

I felt this way initially. And still kind of do, but now I'm with you in not giving a shit.


§ ita § - May 25, 2004 10:42:44 am PDT #823 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

whitefont everything for one week, whitefont HSQ until the end of the season?

I can't see this working practically. And that's not even until you get to people that find spoiler font headache inducing.

What I think is the only practical solution is something like the WX TT TV folder. Except I still have to squint when I want to talk about Murphy's Law in the BBCAmerica thread, because I still intend to watch State of Play one day.

Also -- I'm way into saying what our mission isn't, without actually accepting we have one. Our mission? Not WX TT TV. Nor TWOP. We don't have the infrastructure.

So I could be assured that any new person MOST LIKELY was a fan of TV shows I was also a fan of. And that would make them less ike a stranger to me.

I respect that this is your reaction, but I don't get it at all. Because I don't like a higher %age of Buffy fans than I do of crocheters or martial artists. It's just a thing.


Jesse - May 25, 2004 10:43:29 am PDT #824 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

David, for years now the show threads have been to me a subcommunity that I'm not part of.


DavidS - May 25, 2004 10:51:12 am PDT #825 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

David, for years now the show threads have been to me a subcommunity that I'm not part of.

I know, and I don't participate in the fic writing threads or Canadians or very much in Minearverse. Perhaps my concern is baseless. But it just seems to me that it would become increasingly difficult to enter a community that was driven solely by personalities than one that had on-topic discussion. Besides, I like the analysis and want it to have new and useful outlets.

I'm only really interested in the quality of discussion here - that's the lifeblood I think. What fosters it and what quells it? I don't know if there are definitive answers, but I do think how we structure the board affects it.