At the top right corner of the gmail message, there's a wee dropdown, and one of the choices is "show original" -- that'll give you the full headers.

Oh, if someone's sending mail from a gmail account - is the IP address even theirs? or it it some gmail server? (Because of it being web-based.)

I think this is the appropriate place to have this discussion. I am glad that we are having it in a dispassionate way.

I did a Google Scholar lookup on "Guy Straley". He's not there.

My father, who published *one* paper, an offshoot of his dissertation, shows up in Google Scholar: his Master's thesis, his doctoral dissertation, and his paper.

My mother's Master's thesis, which has never been referred to in a single academic paper, is in Google Scholar.

Looking at a random gmail/gmail exchange, it looks like it is gmail -- I hadn't even thought to look at that before.

Dude! My brother appears on Google Scholar for his PhD submission on Imagination and Expectation in Reading Fiction. That's so cool.

Dammit, I wish I'd ever published anything! I wanna be on Google Scholar.

I am thankful to see that, well, I'm not the only one who was baffled to find no evidence of Gus on Google.

I had email from Gus, once upon a time, but it was on the old desktop which is now dead.

I'd like to reiterate what Cass said--I liked the Gus we knew, whoever that person may have been. He or she or it was funny and flirtatious and told great stories and challenged us to think and explain and argue, and all of those are good things.

If "Gus" was lying to us all along about his/her/its background, then I'm angry about that. But they weren't a troll, they definitely weren't Mieskie/Shmoker, and they did contribute to the community in a number of ways.

Which is to say, if they're really dead, I will grieve, but maybe a little less for someone who didn't trust us enough to give us some truth about themselves, than I would for the Gus we thought we knew.

(If they're not dead at all, well, I'll just be pissed off. And confused--nobody's asking for iPods here, after all.)

... if that makes any sense at all.

Hey, is there a source online about what happened with Penlind if people want to read about it, or will we have to wait for the book? I just googled and got nothing.

Not to spoil Will the Vampire People Please Leave the Lobby (coming soon to a bookstore near you), but basically:

Woman named Penlind shows up at the Bronze. Witty, highly intelligent, makes friends pretty quickly. Lets her young adopted daughter, "Cairo," post a few times. Cairo is a highly sensitive, intelligent young girl.

One day, "Cairo" posts, all upset because she's been the victim of racial discrimination -- she's African-American, I believe, while Penlind and her husband are Caucasian. The entire community rallies around this young girl to try to make her feel better. Fury even posts to her and I think "Cairo" even got some autographed scripts or Buffy merchandise or something when the VIPs heard about her story and were touched by it.

Cairo feels better, continues to post, as does Penlind. Eventually, though, it comes out that Penlind's young son, Django (I think that was his name), has severe medical problems, and for some reason they'll have to take him overseas to Ireland or something like that for medical attention. The community rallies around her again, but before it becomes a financial thing, people start to compare notes back channel and realize that things aren't adding up. Why would she go to Ireland? No trace can be found of her husband, the university professor. People try to trace him through offline connections, no go.

Then a call is made to Penlind's employers. When the Bronzer in question reaches someone, they learn it's Penlind's former employers. At the mention of her name, the reply is "OH. Her. Well, we're legally barred from saying anything, but she did what? Oh. Yeah. Don't believe a word of it." She had no husband, and no children. Django, Cairo, and the spouse were all lies.

The group that uncovered it prepares a statement, and has the most non-scandalous member of the group post it. Then it comes out that even more people had doubted the story, although some remain steadfast and true to Penlind to the end and beyond. Penlind, for her part, stops posting, although I believe she made one last "well, I know what's true but you can believe what you want" type of post. I forget the exact post, but I think she was careful not to confirm OR deny anything.

Other former Bronzers can confirm or straighten out the parts I'm sketchy on.

The son "died" at some point before (or during) the investigation. There was a virtual memorial service.

ETA: Okay now it's bugging me because maybe I'm remembering wrong and it was just an online prayer thing for his recovery. I can't be sure.