Yup. I officially withdraw the proposal.

Before we move on to proposing a gen'l TV thread or not, can we just have a discussion here, about our TV stuff, like

a) what are you watching/what do you plan to watch?

b) of those shows, which ones would you like a thread for?

c) should we keep our TV focus to sci-fi/fantasy, or just go where the watching is?

It may be that some shows don't need their own thread, just because of the kind of discussion they inspire. For instance, for me, I don't really care about having a thread for anything that doesn't have a serial element.

This discussion could hopefully serve the same purpose that Betsy's withdrawn proposal would have served, had it gone to vote and passed. But I don't know that it needs a thread, as much as we need to have the discussion, and it needs to happen in one spot.

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My stuff: I wouldn't mind a thread for either 24 or JoA, but I'm not sure if there's enough of an exisiting audience (made up of people who want to post about the show), for either one, to support it.

From Lightbulb:

Out of curiosity, am I the only one who thinks Boxed Set doesn't work very much for them as a user?

No, although it sounds like it's for different reasons than yours -- I stopped reading boxed set when the SV discussion devolved into nothing but "this show sucks", because the other shows discussed there don't interest me.

Just to put in my two cents, I also unsubbed from Boxed Set because I had no interest in discussing Farscape or SG1 and I found the SV discussion few and far between (probably because the former two shows are richer in depth, but I wouldn't know, not having watched them). I regret the loss of the SV thread since it was fun to pop in and snark. Then again, board not called Smallistas so it's not the biggest deal.

IOW, if we're just taking an informal poll Boxed Set doesn't work for me as a user either.

Don't you think that discussion more properly belongs ... well .. not here? You can make a proposal for a general TV thread and then have a finitely time-bounded discussion in Lightbulbs on those very topics.

I unsubbed from Box Set because I don't watch Smallville or Stargate, and there's not enough Farscape discussion to make it worth my while. (I may re-sub when the miniseries airs.)

I like having general television natter in natter, where it is now. I'm not sure a general TV thread would "work" for me, for a number of reasons.

This discussion could hopefully serve the same purpose that Betsy's withdrawn proposal would have served, had it gone to vote and passed. But I don't know that it needs a thread, as much as we need to have the discussion, and it needs to happen in one spot.

Buy why should it be in here? If we're NOT talking about creating a new thread, what makes this not natter?

Just throwing things out here...

How many TV threads do we think we want? I'd rather start knowing X new threads was the (bullshit consensus) limit and try to come up with the best way to use that X, than to have 45 show threads proposed and try to whittle down from that.

In the past, we haven't had more than three shows with their own thread at once. Does that model work? Or should we do three (or four, or two) with their own threads, plus another three (or whatever) for genres (i.e., reality, cop shows, soap operas)?

Also, I think we should do a poll to help decide what individual show threads would be included in the proposal, so we have the best sense of what people are watching.

Ehh, I don't think we should have a proposal.

I don't want a referendum on Boxed Set - it works for the people there, and not for the people who don't go there.

As for new shows, all the polls and abstract projections in the world aren't going to do a thing for us. In the fall, either there will be some show that so many people love that there's an urge to give it a thread, or there won't.

Don't you think that discussion more properly belongs ... well .. not here? You can make a proposal for a general TV thread and then have a finitely time-bounded discussion in Lightbulbs on those very topics.

I don't necessarily want to propose a general TV thread. I'm wondering about our direction. We have more than one thread for more than one show (FF and WF), that never even got a full season, but it seems to me there are a lot of shows people watch regularly. I know they're not all talk-about shows, though.

I'd like to know shows Buffistas are watching that are shows they'd also like to talk about. I know some, but even then I only know they get talked about in Natter. There are some shows I watch that I would talk about in Natter, but would never (personally) need/want a thread for them. It may turn out that there's no need to propose any changes, so why open up Lightbulb without a clear goal?

why open up Lightbulb without a clear goal?

Because I think the discussion does not belong here.

I feel that if everything goes into Natter, a lot of people who can keep up with (a) show thread(s) but not Natter are going to grow apart from the community. I know I would. For example, I'd probably post in an O.C. thread, but it's unlikely I'll pick through Natter to discuss it.

Could we set up a nonbinding poll just to get a sense of what people are watching/want to discuss? I think Cindy's making a smart distinction.