But Cindy, didn't you mean to state that we're lending copies, when that's not really been the case?

Okay, let's forget about the lending terminology for a moment. I'm not stuck on it. The thread (and therefore b.org as an entity), isn't doing any providing of copies (lending, giving or what have you) in any way. I want to keep it that way. I want to keep the B.org we separate from the we (they) of individual posters, outside of b.org's domain. B.org is and should only be giving people a space to post messages that don't involve violating the laws or our TOS.

B.org's space should be more explicitly defined only as a space for hooking up people who need copies of already-broadcast episodes, with people who have copies. The description we currently have already implies this is the purpose, because it mentions missing an episode, but perhaps the words already broadcast should be in the description, somewhere.

I also think we should be clear that the thread is not for the purpose of anyone making a profit off of those episodes. Lending/borrowing were just the terms that came to mind when I posted, because they seem outside of the profit making realm. What I would really like to see is no bargaining/bartering in our space.

How 'bout something along these lines:

It does happen to everyone. No, really. No need to be self-conscious.

Let us help you out. Missed an ep of something, Jossverse or otherwise? Ask here for help -- don't forget to include contact information, and come back and mention when you're no longer in need.

Legal stuff: This forum is open ONLY for the friendly trade of already broadcast episodes in exchange for reasonable costs (payable in small bills, naming rights for first-born children, oatmeal cookies, and the like.) We are not eBay. We do not wish to be eBay. Any violation of FCC, FBI, and Interpol laws (you own DVDs, you know what they are!) will be dealt with by the Stompy Feet immediately, so as to avoid the site being staked by Wolfram... er, by Fox Legal Department.

Natter will be summarily deleted

I don't see the point of the hand-wringing, Cindy. We are worried about people who don't particularly care about the consequences to us of their use of these boards. In other words, people who are newbies, trolls, or just plain dense. Changing the "rules" of WCBBT is not our defense against these people. We have a policy; all we can do is enforce it or inform. Making WCCBT consistent just doesn't matter.

I have to point out again that we don't run a government here. We don't have to be consistent, fair, or just, and we shouldn't make our lives worse trying to make it that way.

I think I'm confused. I read the last few posts here and then I went to look at Tape, expecting to see a bunch of requests for unaired WF eps, but there wasn't anything. I mean, there were 2 or 3 requests from people who had missed aired WF eps but that was it. The only requests I'm seeing for unaired are in Minearverse. It seems, to me, like people are using Tape correctly.

Am I missing something?

Am I missing something?

If you are, it's something I"m missing too. Tape's in control.

The "General" section of the FAQ has been updated with the changes coordinated by tina that I received two weeks ago. Sorry for the delay!

If you are, it's something I"m missing too. Tape's in control.

Yes. WCBBT is in control. The conversation I was responding to was your convo with sumi (posts 261 & 263). You mentioned we ought to be able to explain the difference at the drop of a hat. I just think pre-explaining it, in the thread definition, is easier than being prepared to explain it at the drop of the hat.

I don't see the point of the hand-wringing, Cindy.

One person's hand-wringing is another's participation in conversation, I guess, Shawn.

But WCBBT doesn't have a problem. Minearverse does. Explaining there, like Liese did, that we only traffic in missed episodes isn't much more complex (in fact, less) than pointing them to another thread's definition.

I'm sorry I started this confusion -- obviously I'd forgotten the essential ingredient to WCBBT (and I've used it myself!) -- the big problem is in Minearverse where people are openly discussing copying unaired episodes.

The "General" section of the FAQ has been updated with the changes coordinated by tina

Cool.

Here are the very very minor changes I originally posted for the next section. They got no comments - but I am posting them again (w/just a few changes and clarifications to the original post) just in case. I'll wait a day or two - post any significant changes if need be and then send the updated version to Jon.

Q: How do I register at this here Phoenix Board?

A. This answer is fine as is. Updates to the actual registration page, if any, will be handled separately.

Q. I want one of those tagline things. What do I do?

A. Looks OK. Links are good.

Q. How do I Post?

A. Looks alright to me.

Q. What's with all those cool cartoon versions of the cast?

Delete this Q and its A.

(In DXs and Dana's updates to the FAQ they both determined this should be archived/deleted. Others expressed a desire to keep it somewhere in the FAQ for Buffista History/Links to Our Past purposes.

I proposed some kind of history page where it and other stuff that is outdated but still important could live. Nobody seemed to care one way or another - so it looks like we just delete this forevah.)

Q. Can I use HTML to format my posts in nifty and interesting ways?

A. All good as far as I can tell.

Q. That HTML stuff sure is fiddly. I wish there was an easier way.

A. No changes.

Q. How do I quote something I want to reply to?

A. No changes.

Q. What do you guys consider a spoiler?
Q. Are all casting news items considered spoilers?

These are going to have to change once Angel is off the air but until then, we need to leave them as is.

Q. What if I can't determine if news is allowable under Summer Casting Rules?

Minor change here.

First sentence reads: "Don't post it. Ask in the applicable spoiler or spoilers-lite thread." So we need to delete ref. to lite.

New answer:

A. Don't post it. Ask in the applicable spoiler thread. One of our experienced Buffista Spoiler Companions will be glad to help you figure it out. Chances are, if it's legal information, one of them will have already posted it in the applicable show thread, anyhow.

Q. Do I have to use the white font for spoilers?

Minor change again to delete reference to Lite threads.

New Answer:

A. In the spoiler thread, no, but it's good form if there is something really really shocking and impending. Like, for example, quotes from an early-bird review. Also, be aware that people using text-only browsers like Lynx don't get any juice out of the white font, so it's nice to give them a text-only warning that there are spoilers ahead.

Q. How do you do the white font to hide spoilers?

A. Fine as is.

Q. Cool. Can I post in other colors besides white?

A. Link is good. Looks fine.

Q. How do I link to another Phoenix Board post?

A. Also fine.

Q. How do I link to something outside of the Phoenix Board?

A. No changes.

Q. How do I navigate around and between the threads?

A. We discussed changing this a while back - but never really decided how it could be any better. I think its very helpful as is.

Q. Is it okay to go off-topic?

A. No changes.

Q. Y'all talk a lot! I love it, but I can't keep up! Should I quit my job?

A. No changes.