No, it helped me. I know it's not just Sean that feels hurt, and Nutty squirmy. This I hadn't realised, and is valuable information for me.
Tara: What's so bad about them coming here? Aren't they good guys? I mean, Watchers, that's just like whole other Gileses, right? Buffy: Yes! They're scary and horrible!
'Potential'
Bureaucracy 3: Oh, so now you want to be part of the SOLUTION?
A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.
Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych
§ ita § - Aug 31, 2004 5:34:17 am PDT #2035 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Nutty - Aug 31, 2004 5:46:01 am PDT #2036 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
I squirm when I am tickled, too.
Actually squirm is just a fun word.
Deena - Aug 31, 2004 5:55:32 am PDT #2037 of 10001
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara
No, it helped me. I know it's not just Sean that feels hurt, and Nutty squirmy. This I hadn't realised, and is valuable information for me.
That's grace. I hope I'm half so thoughtful my (knock on wood don't let it be) next kerfuffle.
beekaytee - Aug 31, 2004 5:58:35 am PDT #2038 of 10001
Compassionately intolerant
Can you help me out and tell me when they've been breached?
ita, I hear this as "when, in the moment, one of those boundaries is crossed, can you point it out so that I have a clear sense of what people are talking about when they feel hurt or 'poked'?"
Or something to that effect.
If I'm interpreting it correctly, this is a legitimate request that I've seen you make several times, without much response.
I have only had the kind of reaction to your posting (with me) that inspired me to walk away once. If it should ever come up again, I'd be glad to be an adult and tell you what sparks my reaction.
Jessica - Aug 31, 2004 6:19:10 am PDT #2039 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Can you help me out and tell me when they've been breached?
I can only speak for myself, and my skin's gotten pretty thick. But yes, and I think this kind of communication is something the entire community could benefit from.
beekaytee - Aug 31, 2004 6:43:00 am PDT #2040 of 10001
Compassionately intolerant
this kind of communication is something the entire community could benefit from.
At the risk of coming over all kumbaya, can I just say A-men.
No need to flog the 'print is so easily misinterpreted' dead horse, but a general consensus would be nice around "look, there are no serial killers here that we know of, so if something climbs your tree? Assume it isn't about your worth as a person".
Actually, that consensus exists, for the most part. So, I guess the converse nice thing would be "no serial killers here, so if someone goes batshit? Assume it's a bad day and not about your worth as a person."
(So not about your reaction ita. I saw no self-worth guessing there, of course.)
victor infante - Aug 31, 2004 6:46:46 am PDT #2041 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
I forgot to say that we are solely responsible, except in the case of Miracleman, who is controled by either the ferrets, remote controlled zombie robots, and sometimes both.
Miracleman controls the RCZR, but the ferrets control all. Just ask them.
billytea - Aug 31, 2004 6:51:21 am PDT #2042 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.
Miracleman controls the RCZR, but the ferrets control all. Just ask them.
"O ferrets, is it true that you control all?"
"Shush, biped. We're trying to find out more about this 15 ft prairie dog."
Topic!Cindy - Aug 31, 2004 8:07:38 am PDT #2043 of 10001
What is even happening?
The ferrets do not (yet) control the raisins/sultanas. They'd like to. Actually, raisin/sultana control is their mission statement. But let's end this hyperbole. It makes them shed.
DavidS - Aug 31, 2004 8:15:14 am PDT #2044 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Ahh, ferrets and prairie dogs and friction.
It doesn't quite seem fair to hold a forum on ita's debating technique when Sean's the one who had the outburst. Sean has now apologized (more than once, and sincerely) for that, so maybe that portion of today's entertainment can be closed.
As for myself, I've come to value that ita will shoot down an unsupported generalization or broad inferences of cause and effect with unerring accuracy. I had to stop my joyful jumping to conclusions and make my case more thoughtfully, and marshall my evidence. Really and truly, I have frequently thought about how arguing with ita has changed the way I think.
ita, since you seem curious about it, I will note though that the extreme negative cartoon image inherent in your approach looks like Spock, cocking his eyebrow, sticking his finger into the open wound of some redshirt and muttering "Curious" as the security ensign writhes on the ground. Sort of dispassionate and relentless, more curious about the wound than the person behind it.
note I said "extreme" cartoon image. I'm painting it broad for effect and to get it across. Personally, that's not how I see her and could offer an equally positive cartoon image of gracious diplomacy.
To use a krav example, I think ita does us the honor of treating each of us as worthy debaters/fighters. I don't think ita breaches any boundaries, but there could be instances where she recognizes the other person's limits. Some debates might better be treated as exercises with a limited series of passes, instead of full bouts to submission.
As for myself, ita, I prefer no holds barred discussion and we can go until one of us taps out.