That's one spunky little girl you've raised. I'm gonna eat her.

The Mayor ,'End of Days'


F2F 2: Is there anybody here that hasn't slept together?  

Plan what to do, what to wear (you can never go wrong with a corset), and get ready for the next BuffistaCon: New Orleans! May 20-22, 2005!


deborah grabien - Sep 02, 2004 3:19:43 pm PDT #8693 of 9999
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Hil, I lived in NYC in the sixties, the era of John Lindsey. The stated goal was to be "the most forward-looking city on EARTH!" There were citywide essays sponsored about it; I remember being shown designs that would "help us beat out all the other cities in the world!" and shuddering. The designs eventually became (I do not love irony, and never less than on this subject) the WTC. It wasn't my perception: it was hard politics. The motto was a sort of cutthroat competitive "first into the future!" thing. Looking for bits of the past was not encouraged. Neither the competitive thing nor the "let's look forward only!" attitude of the city's administration appealed to me in the least. I'm a history tutor.

There always seemed, back then, to be a sense that the city had completely reinvented itself to be the ultimate 20th century town. It was literally as if there was a 100-year gap in New York's personal diary: the entire 19th century was sort of shaken off in the schools, the papers, and it all became about whoosh, starting again at the year 1901, a kind of fin de siecle rebirth. Local history talked about Peter Stuyvesant and Lafayette, went up to the end of the 18th century, and then nothing, until the 20th. It was really weird, and very schizophrenic. I mean, WTF? NY has this incredibly rich 19th century. Where'd it go?

The older parts of the city, the pre 1900 landmarks, were trotted out for the tourists. As a historian, I couldn't understand why anyone wanted to bury so much richness under the need to be new; I still don't get it, and not just about New York in the sixties. London, another large city I can't make myself spend too much time in anymore, has 1700 years on New York, and it nearly did the same thing: the London skyline is dotted with the need to be moderne, a proliferation of completely inappropriate skyscrapers. It looks much worse in London, I think, just because there's so much more antiquity.

But hell, I'm always going to prefer the smaller, the more eclectic, the less aggressive and competitive, when it comes to cities. Florence over Rome, Barcelona over Madrid, Geneva over Zurich. Just, in terms of antiquity, I think Boston (and Philadelphia, as well) wears it better than most, in terms of east coast cities. An argument could probably be made for sections of the south, as well, but I can't claim having spent any major time there. I can speak to NY, though. Seven years, from a month before JFK was assassinated until 1970.

Oh, and I'm with Heather. The Big Easy has got it going on for its own history.


Narrator - Sep 02, 2004 3:23:05 pm PDT #8694 of 9999
The evil is this way?

We wuz robbed.

Ah, the tag line for the Boston fans. Whiners.


deborah grabien - Sep 02, 2004 3:26:43 pm PDT #8695 of 9999
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Whiners.

Heh. I still want to know what happens if the Cubs play the Sox in the series. Does the sun implode, or something?


Susan W. - Sep 02, 2004 3:29:20 pm PDT #8696 of 9999
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Me too, but I'm not sure I want the World Series of the Apocalypse in the run-up to Nov. 2.


Lilty Cash - Sep 02, 2004 3:29:57 pm PDT #8697 of 9999
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

Heh. I still want to know what happens if the Cubs play the Sox in the series. Does the sun implode, or something?

Especially this year, because of Nomar.

Ah, the tag line for the Boston fans. Whiners.

Oh YEAH? Well...I'll show you a.....tag line......YEAH.


Topic!Cindy - Sep 02, 2004 3:30:36 pm PDT #8698 of 9999
What is even happening?

I don't know, but put your head between your legs, and get ready to kiss your arse goodbye, just in case, deb.

Narrator, there was a really funny two part piece on the Red Sox, Yankees, and well...Lego-vision. Part 1, Part 2.

Oooh! Lilty, part two is up! See up there.


JenP - Sep 02, 2004 3:30:53 pm PDT #8699 of 9999

I was just thinking about how amazing it was that Nilly was able to make it to so many places in one trip. The fact that she made it to DC for, what? 36 hours? Just makes me so damn happy. Total gift.

My pictures will be ready Sunday. Also makes me happy.

I have peanut butter cup ice cream. Yup. Happy.

ETA: I have no position on baseball teams.


deborah grabien - Sep 02, 2004 3:37:10 pm PDT #8700 of 9999
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

I was just thinking about how amazing it was that Nilly was able to make it to so many places in one trip.

Jen, isn't it amazing? I still think NoiseDesign is a champion for making the 400 mile drive in each direction 24 hours apart, to show her the centre of California. And I was extremely privileged to be able to host her, and have so many people together under my roof. Many thanks to all concerned, but most of all to Nilly herself, for providing the impetus for me to stuff the stupid disease into a closet for a week and show off the way I used to. I'd not willingly have missed a minute of it.

This is a ridiculously huge country. There's a lot she could see on future visits: New England when the sap's running and the leaves are really turning, a ride around Minneapolis (I can hear her now, her reaction to being driven around the Lake of the Isles and seeing the entire amusement park, with rides, inside the Mall of America, just brings her right back), finding someone from Metairie to make her purely kosher pralines, riding around on the El in Chicago, the ancient stones at Alamogordo, the Grand Canyon....


Beverly - Sep 02, 2004 3:37:36 pm PDT #8701 of 9999
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I have no position on baseball teams, either, but I'm in favor of peanut butter cup ice cream.

And I'm with Deb on smaller and more eclectic cities. I'll share a secret. I've had a bit of a phobia about cities since a sudden and completely unexpected attack of something similar to claustrophobia in Philly.

But I loved San Francisco. I couldn't get enough of the architecture, the juxtaposition of styles. Make of that what you will.


DXMachina - Sep 02, 2004 3:39:41 pm PDT #8702 of 9999
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

This is a ridiculously huge country. There's a lot she could see on future visits:

Snow.