Does this also mean that Nilly can't be in a place with electric lights?

She can't turn them on and off. AFAIK, she can use it if it's on.

The prohibition, I think, is against striking a fire.

I do want to put forth before things go insane, that we shouldn't schedule every 45 second interval of Nilly's time, because then things get stressful and WallyWorldish.

Allyson is wise. For the northern state end of things, she gets to choose whatever she'd like. BBQ is set in stone, though.

Vortex, I think the electric lights thing isn't an issue (edit: I remember what Trudy says, about it being against striking a fire). And Trudy, better check with Nilly - she adheres to a very particular form of keeping kosher, and there are quite a few different kinds.

Reminds me, memo to self: check on kosher cheese so that the poor child can have some yummy protein while she's here.

Allyson, don't forget krav, which'd be Sunday at 10:30.

I can take her there, would you be able to go to the Pier afterwards so we can take a walk and chill out?

She can't turn them on and off. AFAIK, she can use it if it's on.

then why can't she ride in a car if someone else is driving? I'm confused.

would you be able to go to the Pier afterwards so we can take a walk and chill out?

Or pick fights and ride the endorphin high -- whichever you prefer.

(this is like a bonus, because Allyson will be watching krav)

then why can't she ride in a car if someone else is driving? I'm confused.

Good question. Nilly? When you're back in thread? I never thought to ask about that one.

And Trudy, better check with Nilly - she adheres to a very particular form of keeping kosher, and there are quite a few different kinds.

I've got lists, baby! Lists of places to go to and consume mass quantities!

then why can't she ride in a car if someone else is driving? I'm confused.

I think this is because the internal combustion engine is a series of fires.

I know some shabbes-observers won't have people turn lights on and off for them -- just use what light's available. For them, at least, getting into a car would be too close to having it done for them.

I remember something abuot not being able to ask you to turn on the light, but if you happen to turn it on they can use it.

Maybe getting into a car is too much like asking.

I think this is because the internal combustion engine is a series of fires.

yes, I get that. But, if she can be in a room with lights, but not turn them on or off, why can't she be in a car if she's not operating it? In both case she is using the fire, but not operating it. At least, that's how this gentile sees it.

For them, at least, getting into a car would be too close to having it done for them.

hmm, so you can't have someone drive you somewhere, but if they happen to be going (say, to Disneyland), you could ride along?