All right, no one's killing folk today, on account of our very tight schedule.

Mal ,'Trash'


LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".  

Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".

A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.


DavidS - Dec 29, 2003 10:13:15 am PST #943 of 3902
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

But Narsil/Anduril seems to be acting like a polearm (being really long, being sheathed on the horse instead of on the man), except when it isn't (being used just like a regular sword by a dismounted soldier).

In my Weapons and Warfare book it's noted that Narsil/Anduril was created for Elendil who was huge and strong enough to wield it one-handed, but that the grip was big enough for two hands and that's how Aragorn wielded it.

There's also a lot of talk about Aragorn's fighting style which is a cross between Elvish (where he was raised and trained) and Ranger (which is more Krav-efficient).

Does the book explain why Aragorn doesn't have a relationship with Faramir? They're both Rangers right? Or were they in different cub scout troops?


Jessica - Dec 29, 2003 10:13:37 am PST #944 of 3902
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

must. resist. the. urge. to. comment.

DH and I could not stop giggling when Elrond and Aragorn were admiring the sheer size of Anduril. We tried, but, well, not that mature.


Nutty - Dec 29, 2003 10:17:33 am PST #945 of 3902
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

In the books, capital-R Ranger usually means a tribe of northmen, who tend to keep to themselves, who are secretly replacing the brewed coffee with instant the Dunedain, i.e. the descendants of Numenor in the northern kingdom. (The northern kingdom itself having had a nervous breakdown 1500 years previously.)

Faramir's people are just like the northern rangers, in that they like becoming shades of green and sleeping in thickets, but they're not a secret tribe of anything and the word "ranger" describes their function rather than their being. Faramir happens to be a Numenorean throwback, but I'm sure plenty of Gondor's rangers were just regular folks who were short and had bad teeth and died long before their 210th birthdays.


Calli - Dec 29, 2003 10:17:36 am PST #946 of 3902
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Does the book explain why Aragorn doesn't have a relationship with Faramir?

Legolas.

OK, seriously, I don't remember from the books, but I think the age difference would play into it. Aragorn's ~80 at the time of the books, and Faramir's ~ 20. Therefore they wouldn't necessarily have trained together or served together. I got the impression from Boromir and Aragorn's interaction at the Council of Elrond that Aragorn hadn't interacted much with the Gondor nobles in his ranger capacity.

ETA:

Faramir's people are just like the northern rangers, in that they like becoming shades of green and sleeping in thickets, but they're not a secret tribe of anything and the word "ranger" describes their function rather than their being.

Oh, two different meanings of "Ranger". Good to know.


Sean K - Dec 29, 2003 10:24:01 am PST #947 of 3902
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I'm Meriadoc Brandybuck and his insatiable bloodlust. I'm good with that.

Does the book explain why Aragorn doesn't have a relationship with Faramir? They're both Rangers right? Or were they in different cub scout troops?

As Nutty explained, they're different troops of scouts, and the word "ranger" when applied to each group has somewhat different meanings.

But more importantly, it's not like anybody has phones, radios or walkie-talkies in Middle Earth, so nobody without a Palantir is big with the long-range communication, and Palantiri have issues of their own, which means that even if they were the same kinds of rangers, Aragorn and Faramir would only have known each other when Aragorn was in town, and the last time Aragorn was in Gondor (under an assumed name, no less), Faramir was a wee lad, if he was born at all.


Jessica - Dec 29, 2003 10:26:09 am PST #948 of 3902
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

so nobody without a Palantir is big with the long-range communication

And Movie!Galadriel, with her mind-phone.

(And yes, I do say "Can you hear me now?" when that scene starts. See above, re, twelve.)


smonster - Dec 29, 2003 10:29:22 am PST #949 of 3902
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

I'm Bloody Merry, as well. Hee.


tina f. - Dec 29, 2003 10:31:56 am PST #950 of 3902

I'm Meriadoc Brandybuck and his insatiable bloodlust.

Same here.

One thing in the weapons and warfare book I forgot: that Sting (Frodo - and once Bilbo's sword) says "Sting is my name - I am the Spider's bane" on it.

Oh! I also forgot that Glamdring (Gandalf's sword) and Sting were found at the same time in the Troll's horde in The Hobbit.

I need to read The Hobbit again.

This Weapons book kicks ass and I don't want to give it to my brother tonight.


Nutty - Dec 29, 2003 10:40:02 am PST #951 of 3902
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

it's not like anybody has phones, radios or walkie-talkies in Middle Earth

Right. And as I recall, neither Boromir nor Faramir was anywhere close to being born yet when last Strider visited Gondor. Denethor was still a young man, and Theoden was still a child.

That's the funny part of the books that would just never work on screen. In the books, Boromir wanders for like 3 months in the wilderness, looking for Rivendell, and until he finds it, he's not really sure it isn't just a myth. People had just stopped traveling to different lands so much (perhaps due to all of the orcs), and communication and the spread of knowledge were in total disarray.

(Also the part where, palantirites excepted, nobody in Gondor had any idea that the line of Arnor still existed. Someone had to explain to Boromir at the council why "Aragorn son of Arathorn" wasn't just "Dave son of Joe" but actually meaningful to Minas Tirith.)


Astarte - Dec 29, 2003 12:03:59 pm PST #952 of 3902
Not having has never been the thing I've regretted most in my life. Not trying is.

I'm Samwise Gamgee and his insomnia.

Try anything on Mr. Frodo, and I'll have you, longshanks!!!!!!