In the books, Bilbo's willingness to give up the Ring is held up as rather an impressive act of will--or at least an example of the indominability of Hobbits. Perhaps the Ring didn't want to go with Bilbo on his travels, but unlike Isildur, Bilbo was able to let it fall from his hand rather than it choosing to slip off. This is one reason why the CGI in Rivendell bothers me so much. Sir Ian Holm could manage a bit of snarling evil if necessary, I don't think it was required to actually morph him.

Also in the books, it's clear that the Ring is maintaining his health and that's why he ages so quickly once he leaves the Shire. Too bad they didn't have Bilbo at the Council, they way they did in the books. Boromir is initially baffled by this old creature, especially when Bilbo sighs and says "Oh, all right, it's my Ring that's causing the trouble, I'll hit the road and get rid of it," then Elrond says with a smile that his part in the tale is done. Boromir is ready to snicker, then he sees that, while everyone is looking at Bilbo with smiles, those smiles are backed up with a great deal of respect.

Why, yes, Bilbo has always been my favorite Hobbit. But that's before I saw Elijah Wood's bellybutton or heard Billy Boyd sing.

Battle tactics, the logical way! I'm enjoying this muchly.

Get some fire in play, panic them. Take out the drivers with missile fire, and let the uncontrolled behemoths disrupt the enemy ranks.

As I recall, that's partly what they do in the books. There's that fun description of critters going mad with the fire and indiscriminately stomping on so many things it brings up the "why ducks have flat feet" joke. Other tactics include riding close enough to shoot into their eyes, because arrows into the butt of an 8-story critter will not do all that much damage. I could have done nicely with a couple of riders getting together and clotheslining an oliphaunt; that would have been fun and logical.

But then, what am I saying. This cavalry force of 6000 entered the battlefield in a big glut of 30 or 40 ranks deep. I know cavalry is supposed to be shock troops, but aren't they more effective shock troops when, like, everybody has the chance to actually reach the enemy? The dude in the back row was probably more in danger from being hit by flying horseshit than from actually fighting.

Did these people not see The Empire Strikes Back? Come on!!

Yay. Finally saw ROTK yesterday. I loved it and DH (who hasn't read the books) liked it although he wondered why none of the "children" died, even though I have explained to him a million times that the Hobbits are not children but full-grown men. I started tearing up at the Mippin parting and didn't stop really until the end, although it was Sam who broke me over and over. I think I started crying in earnest when Sam fought Shelob and then cradled Frodo's body in his arms, not least because The Choices of Master Samwise is probably my favorite chapter in all of the LotR. And saints preserve us, but I think I got the Frodo-oost, which I never had before this movie. But when Frodo is standing there in Mt. Doom all broken and bloodied and he turns around and gives Sam that malevolent smile and claims the ring for his own, I could only think, "Good lord, that's hot!"

The only thing that really irked me about the movie was how they handled Denethor. The scene where he's eating while Pippin sings especially grated. And I felt that without the information about the palantir did to him he just came off like a crazy bastard, which he wasn't. But overall, I really enjoyed RotK. I need to see it again, though, to really process everything.

Seems like asking about homoerotic themes in LotR is the new "What was wearing those fake feet like?"

The Secret Lives of Hobbits

Not any new info, really.

It occurs to me that if all dwarves fought like Gimli (who was neck and neck in kills with Legolas) or all humans like Aragorn, then the orcs might have all turned tail and run.

Legolas did get the showpieces, but apparently spent the time inbetween picking his teeth. Basically, all our fighting heroes were relatively superpowered, for their class.

Aragorn leaves Rivendell in different clothes from those he arrived in, right? Does he change again in Lothlorien?

I don't know if he changes, ita, but I would like to see those scenes in DETAIL in the EE. Just for, the, um, character, um, stuff.

Finally saw it last night, with a friend who never read the books and didn't like the first movie. Her husband had to bribe her to watch TT last month and that finally persuaded her. She really liked it, is in love with Sam and got that Frodo had to go with Gandalf and Bilbo because he was too changed by the ring, and that Faramir and Eowyn were gonna be goin' steady, and all that stuff.

The BF and I loved it.

I think Aragorn changed clothes while he was in Rivendell. The velvet didn't make the trip, I think, and it was back to the travel clothes. He changed shirt in Edoras, and again in Helm's Deep, but the mail and leather surcoat covered it.

I don't know if he changes, ita, but I would like to see those scenes in DETAIL in the EE. Just for, the, um, character, um, stuff.

scrappy is right. So many important moments have been cut from this film, but some things are absolutely necessary to my libi...libr...understanding and interpretation of book!canon vs. por film!canon.

it was back to the travel clothes

He just wore that one outfit the whole movie and half the second? My lord, the boy's nasty.

Okay, so maybe everyone else did (though I'm sure Legolas probably had five or six of the same outfit), but looking at the day per page calendar pics I had around, his outfit just looked beat.