Sooner or later, you're gonna want it. And the second — the second — that happens, you know I'll be there. I'll slip in, have myself a real good day.

Spike ,'Conversations with Dead People'


LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".  

Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".

A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.


Jessica - Dec 22, 2003 3:46:18 am PST #605 of 3902
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

Katie, I had the same reaction to your #4.


Fiona - Dec 22, 2003 3:49:53 am PST #606 of 3902

And Fiona, let us admire for a moment, the gorgeousness of a Freudian slip--induced by Viggo's-vigour, no less--that is classified as a "Freudian slit."

Psss, Cindy - that's how we (intentionally) used to refer to a Freudian slip around these parts. I can't really take the credit.


Nutty - Dec 22, 2003 4:19:13 am PST #607 of 3902
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Oh yes, that was another LOL moment reading the James essay. Fear of sentiment my flat white fanny. If anything, I would have knocked the whole trilogy for being too sentimental.

Eowyn is brittle and deadly, with a needy core underneath, and Eowyn would have been the first to cry "Death!"

Katie and I are one. I have some patience/forgiveness on this matter, because so much of her storyline will have to wait for the EE, but yeah. More despair! I sort of wonder if the filmmakers didn't quite trust us on the despair front.


§ ita § - Dec 22, 2003 4:25:05 am PST #608 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

More despair! I sort of wonder if the filmmakers didn't quite trust us on the despair front.

Frankly, although I eagerly await extra pain in the EE, I'm pretty okay with the amount of despair RotK presented me.

But that may be my Pippin issue.


Volans - Dec 22, 2003 5:01:27 am PST #609 of 3902
move out and draw fire

Kathy, I am with you on Pippin being carried out to escort the soldiers from Gondor back in. It makes no sense, except to compress the story so that Faramir can see Pippin right then, and tell them about Frodo and Sam.

In general, the heroes were less heroic in the movie than in the books, and the bad guys were less evil. Eowyn was obviously less psychotic, but I think it's a reader thing to be able to associate with her psychosis; I doubt it would come through well on the screen. Sam may have come across as more heroic in the movies, which is cool, since I've always maintained that he's the hero of the books.

The line "Now that I'm here, I don't think I want to do what I came to do" was truncated and moved to the entrance to Shelob's lair. Funnier in that setting, but talk about sucking the power out of the dialog.


billytea - Dec 22, 2003 5:02:37 am PST #610 of 3902
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

So. Guys. I got to the movies yesterday, saw this little flick. Not sure if anyone's heard of it, it's from New Zealand or something. It's pretty good, though they seemed a bit confused as to how big elephants and eagles really are. Expect a scathing review in National Geographic.


Volans - Dec 22, 2003 5:18:05 am PST #611 of 3902
move out and draw fire

A friend told me the battle in that movie was based on the Battle of the Somme.

I had no idea there were really big elephants at the Somme.


Anne W. - Dec 22, 2003 5:26:36 am PST #612 of 3902
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I had no idea there were really big elephants at the Somme.

Raquel, may I please tag?


Micole - Dec 22, 2003 5:31:23 am PST #613 of 3902
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.

This is going to sound really dumb, but in a way the pterodactyls/dragons swooping out of the sky and randomly killing people *did* remind me of World War I. I could get this visceral feeling for how shocking and against all the laws of nature it must have seemed for there to be that kind of attack from above, for the battlefield to turn into a three-dimensional matrix when for millennia people had been thinking of it as a two-dimensional one. (Okay, I know that's not quite right and topography is important -- but figuring out how the lay of the land affects battles is just so different from being attacked fromt he sky.)


Micole - Dec 22, 2003 5:31:29 am PST #614 of 3902
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.