Please...Wesley...why can't I stay?

Fred ,'A Hole in the World'


LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".  

Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".

A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.


Beverly - Dec 17, 2003 8:29:29 am PST #47 of 3902
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Oh, all Jess' favorites and cry-points are mine.

I'm remembering much more this afternoon than I did at 4AM when I posted in that other thread.

This AM I found my ticket stub from the midnight show of TTT and put on the soundtrack cd, which I'd bought ahead of time but purposely hadn't listened to. I was fine till track five.oh.dear. Then I was fine again, even a bit cranky at the disjointedness and soundtrackiness of it all till it got to the last four or five tracks, and the tears just started. I'm always suspicious of facile tears, but this was just beyond strange. Kinda cathartic, but wholly unlike me.

Anyway. Must see it again--first time, too much excitement, too tired after sitting all day, and too much sensory overload to really process it. Will see it soon, soon, with DH, and again soon with or without him. And probably at least once more before I can pin down some definite opinions. A fairly long gap then before rewatching, and then spotting new or forgotten stuff. And several more viewings before it leaves theaters.

And back off Theoden. Mine. As is Pippin.

Oh, the one thing that stuck with me, that I woke up seeing in mind's eye, aside from the stripped Bag End interior--the mirror of Frodo's soul stripped of every non-essential, was how still and pale and tearless Frodo was while saying goodbye to Merry and Pippin, and even Sam. Even when he kissed Sam's forehead and broke me utterly, he shed not one tear. And when he looked back from the deck of the ship... he was no longer pale. There was a youthful blush in cheek and lip that had been missing since Weathertop. And his smile was no wan, pale, drawn thing. It was joyful.

And damn. I'm crying again.

It's not over! We have EE dvds in November! And then the year after, they will do an in-theater trilogy of all three EEs! (Tell me they will).

And by then, PJ may have gotten The Hobbit underway! And there're always the appendices, and, and, and...


Jessica - Dec 17, 2003 8:31:07 am PST #48 of 3902
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

My ticket stub (and everyone else's at my screening -- there was a computer glitch) claimed to be for a 1:30 pm showing of Gothika (which was what RotK was replacing in this theatre). It amused me greatly.


Beverly - Dec 17, 2003 8:32:48 am PST #49 of 3902
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I'm wearing my all-day pass on my neck strap thingy. My untorn RotK ticket (#28, if that's of interest to anybody) is tucked into the back, along with my TTT midnight show ticket stub. I'm keeping it forever.


Kate P. - Dec 17, 2003 8:38:01 am PST #50 of 3902
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Oh, Beverly, that killed me too.

I'm trying to remember--there was something that my audience laughed at in TTTEE that I thought was totally inappropriate. Not Gollum, though there was some laughing at him as well.

And Jess, wrt to "Well, I'm back" -- word. That was why I asked about it ahead of time, because I knew I wouldn't be able to handle it if that didn't happen!


Beverly - Dec 17, 2003 8:42:30 am PST #51 of 3902
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

My crowd was excruciatingly well-behaved. So well-behaved that it was in fact me who started the cheering or clapping at certain points. The one that immediately springs to mind is Gandalf bopping Denethor with his staff and countermanding his order to desert posts. But there were others. I think everyone was too rapt to actually cheer out loud.

edited because close-italics tag is not the same as close whitefont.


Kate P. - Dec 17, 2003 8:49:37 am PST #52 of 3902
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

A few of the moments my crowd cheered at:

The lighting of the bonfires

Theoden saying "Rohan will answer!"

Gandalf whacking Denethor

Sam showing up with the light of Elendil at Shelob's cave

Eowyn cutting off the head of the winged lamprey of doom

"I am no man!"

The arrival of the army of green ectoplasmic zombie pirate warriors

Legolas taking out the Oliphaunt

Pippin rescuing Faramir

Sam slicing through the Orc at the top of the tower where Frodo is held captive

"I can't carry it for you. But I can carry you!"

Gimli's line that is now my tagline

Aragorn's speech outside the Black Gate

The final destruction of the Ring (of course)

Everyone bowing down to the hobbits

The Arwen/Aragorn kiss

Sam and Rosie's wedding

I bet there was more, too. My audience kicked ass.


Jessica - Dec 17, 2003 8:52:02 am PST #53 of 3902
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

The lighting of the beacons was the coolest thing EVER. I'm so in love with that sequence.


Beverly - Dec 17, 2003 9:02:13 am PST #54 of 3902
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

As much as I am "enh" about Arwen (I've always maintained that whenever she appears onscreen, the pace immediately goes into imperceptible slo-mo, "Ohhh looook therrrre's Aaaarrrwwennnn", until she's offscreen again) boy did look sort of lonesome all by himself after getting the shiny hat from Gandalf. I was actually glad to see her show up .


§ ita § - Dec 17, 2003 9:09:15 am PST #55 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Pippin/Billy Boyd is GOD. That's no spoiler. He just is. My Legolas/Bloom stuff is still intact and sacrosanct, so don't even be looking at him, but Astin and Boyd acted their fucking socks off.

I have more images (though fewer lines) floating in my head from this one -- even after the first viewing. I slapped the soundtrack into the CD player on the drive home (which goes past the Neiman Marcus with the RotK window dressing), and found myself still leaking tears.

My main crypoints (there were so many the first time round):

* Everything Pippin does -- his "forgive me" request of Gandalf after being revived post-Palantir -- his inability to get what Merry was telling him about them being separated -- his fear he expressed to Gandalf -- his inability to shut up, resulting in him swearing fealty to Denethor -- his glee at surreptitiously lighting the signal fire, and his being startled by being on top of a pyre -- his wanting to not be expected to fight -- his disappointment when Gandalf sends him back inside "They called us out to fight" -- his upset at Faramir's treatment both before and after the failed retaking of Osgiliath -- his lament -- his stare at his sword after he defends Gandalf -- his ash-stained face as Gandalf tells him about death -- him finding Merry and promising to take care of him (oh, lovely responsibility reversal) -- him charging out in front of the Black Gates -- him running screaming for Gandalf to save Faramir -- him saving Faramir -- his glee at seeing Frodo alive again -- his pleased nod at re-entering the Shire -- his dislocation in The Green Dragon -- his tabletop dance -- his bawling at Frodo's departure -- his little smile when Gondor bows to him.

Everything. I kid you not. Also, I cried when:

* The chain of signal lights fired up

* Eowyn talked obliquely or explicitly about wanting to fight

* Merry did many things, starting from being responsible towards Pippin, going right through putting on the helmet and stabbing Angmar

* Eowyn started slashing doublehanded, taking down the Oliphaunt

* Eowyn killing Angmar

* Theoden's death conversation with Eowyn

Probably other places too.

On rewatch, most of the first bullet, and the Eowyn bits still got me, but with less volume.


Sean K - Dec 17, 2003 9:13:45 am PST #56 of 3902
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Oh fuck, ita. Your list of Pippin cry points just got me started bawling again, and it's been a week and a half since I've seen it.