I've been out of the abbey two days, I've beaten a lawman senseless, I've fallen in with criminals. I watched the captain shoot the man I swore to protect. And I'm not even sure if I think he was wrong.

Book ,'Serenity'


LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".  

Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".

A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.


dcp - Jan 06, 2005 1:49:38 pm PST #3568 of 3902
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

"wheat of the gods"

From: [link]

Lembas was originally given to the Elves by Yavanna. She sent Orome to give the Elves lembas for their Great Journey to Eldamar. Yavanna made the lembas from corn that she grew in the fields of Aman and the cakes imparted the strength of that land to those who ate it.

The Elves learned to grow this corn in Middle-earth. The secret of making lembas was kept by Elven women called Yavannildi, the maidens of Yavanna. Only they were permitted to handle to corn and bake it into cakes. The highest-ranked woman was called massánie or besain: the Lady, or breadgiver.

The Elves rarely shared lembas with mortals because it would cause them to become weary of their mortality and to long for Aman, where they could not go. Melian showed great favor to Turin when she gave Beleg lembas to bring to his friend in the wild. This was the first time the Elves had provided lembas for the use of Men.

Seems to me that "corn" in this context probably means barley, not wheat. Certainly not maize.


Beverly - Jan 06, 2005 2:01:18 pm PST #3569 of 3902
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

"Corn," if I'm not mistaken, is a synonym for "grain" in England.


JohnSweden - Jan 06, 2005 2:08:30 pm PST #3570 of 3902
I can't even.

The highest-ranked woman was called massánie or besain: the Lady, or breadgiver.

Which scans nicely onto Old English/Anglo-Saxon, where the word for Lady is hlafdige -- bread-kneader/loaf-maker.


dcp - Jan 06, 2005 2:11:05 pm PST #3571 of 3902
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

Dictionary.com agrees with you.

corn

3. Chiefly British. Any of various cereal plants or grains, especially the principal crop cultivated in a particular region, such as wheat in England or oats in Scotland.

I thought in the UK "corn" only meant barley. Hunh.


esse - Jan 07, 2005 3:10:25 am PST #3572 of 3902
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

Connery's from Edinburgh, and Billy's a Glaswegian. East coast/west coast -- big difference.

Indeed.

John, I might hit you up for your suggestions of stuff to do when we get back to Scotland. We're there for like nine days, and I've already done the touristy stuff, at least in Edinburgh.


libkitty - Jan 07, 2005 1:05:41 pm PST #3573 of 3902
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

Frodo was born in S. R. 1368. His parents died in 1380, and Bilbo adopted him in 1389.

Sam was born in 1380, Merry in 1382, and Pippin in 1390.

Age is one of the things that bothered me a lot in the movies. Elijah Wood is all cute and everything, but he's just too young. I realize that hobbits don't show their age like humans do, but still, the actor should have been at least in late 20s or 30s. I hadn't remembered that Frodo was supposed to be older than Sam, but it certainly makes their relationship make more sense.


JohnSweden - Jan 07, 2005 1:18:31 pm PST #3574 of 3902
I can't even.

John, I might hit you up for your suggestions of stuff to do when we get back to Scotland. We're there for like nine days, and I've already done the touristy stuff, at least in Edinburgh.

SA, that would be fine. When are you heading back? Would you have access to a car?


Kathy A - Jan 07, 2005 2:28:26 pm PST #3575 of 3902
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Don't forget that PJ (et al) decided to toss out the 17-year gap when nothing much happens, so that Frodo gets the Ring when Bilbo leaves (and he turns 33, not mentioned in the film) and leaves relatively soon thereafter (I like to imagine it was a year later, that they were celebrating his birthday at the Green Dragon before Gandalf returned, but it's not stated as such).

Also, remember that for hobbits, 33 equals 18-20 in Man years. I like to subtract 12 years for a human equivalent of hobbit ages.


esse - Jan 08, 2005 2:26:50 am PST #3576 of 3902
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

Insent to profile addy, John.


libkitty - Jan 09, 2005 3:51:02 pm PST #3577 of 3902
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

I realize that the 17 years were not covered, and certainly understand that, but still think that he should have considered them in casting, given the character in the book.

I do think it is important that Sam is younger than Frodo in the books and quite older in the movies. Even though I hadn't remembered the birth dates before, their relationship just makes so much more sense when Frodo is older and more experienced. I still love the movies, and even EW. For me, this is the kind of nitpicking that I only do with things I really care about.