Sauron made the dwarf and man rings specifically to enthrall the users, I think.
That's the thrill of living in the Hellmouth! There's a veritable cornucopia of fiends and devils and ghouls to engage ... Pardon me for finding the glass half-full.
Giles ,'Same Time, Same Place'
LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".
Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".
A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.
sumi - Apr 07, 2004 7:32:02 am PDT #2459 of 3902
Art Crawl!!!
sumi - Apr 07, 2004 7:32:18 am PDT #2460 of 3902
Art Crawl!!!
What is it with me and the double posting this week?
Stephanie - Apr 07, 2004 8:00:27 am PDT #2461 of 3902
Trust my rage
My brother and I had a big discussion about the Elf rings a few weeks ago. We finally went to Encyclopedia of Arda for lots of really good info about Middle Earth. I think they have info about the rings of the Dwarves and Men.
For example "By the end of the Third Age, Sauron had recovered three of the Seven [Dwarf] Rings to himself, and the other four had been consumed by dragons."
ETA: spelling
Una - Apr 07, 2004 10:14:23 am PDT #2462 of 3902
when i die, please bake my ashes into a brick and use me to hit fascists.
Heee! Through the lotrquotes LJ community: The Entire Silmarillion... in 1000 words or less.
Katie M - Apr 07, 2004 10:49:42 am PDT #2463 of 3902
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
Ha! That's great. The Quest For The Shiny!
esse - Apr 07, 2004 11:20:29 am PDT #2464 of 3902
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!
So the Elvish rings were basically protect-y rings, whereas the Dwarvish rings and rings of Men were made specifically as a way to give Sauron a line in to control them?
Jeff Mejia - Apr 07, 2004 12:11:24 pm PDT #2465 of 3902
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert
This is why the Elf rings are more powerful, and have names, and not-coincidentally have not led their owners weeping and screaming to Sauron's doorstep, as the other sets of rings have done.
There's alos the point that Sauron had no part in the forging of the Elven rings, and therefore they were not corrupted, whereas the 9 (for Men) and the 7 (for Dwarves) were. Apparently, the 9 allowed the men to gain power, while the 7 enhanced Dwarven fortunes. The Dwarven rings also increased their greediness and xenophobia, IIRC.
Did Tolkein ever explain, in the books or his letters, why so much power was put into physical objects, rings?
That's straight from the Norse myths he drew from. See: Ring Cycle by Wagner.
Tolkien actually hated comparisons to the Ring of the Niebelung. (Although it is an obvious comparison). In one of Christopher Tolkien's History of Middle-Earth series, Morgoth's Ring, I think there is much discussion about rings and power, although I haven't really gone through the volume myself. (Morgoth's Ring was Arda (the Earth) itself, meaning that Mogoth had his power tied to the physical world).
[Edited to add that one of the themes in Tolkien's work was binding power to physical objects, manifested in the One Ring and why when it was destroyed, Sauron disappeared.]
Kate P. - Apr 07, 2004 12:50:05 pm PDT #2466 of 3902
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love
From Una's link, this cracked me up:
BEREN: Ooo! Pretty elf lady!
THINGOL: You can have her if you ... BRING ME A SHINY!
Jessica - Apr 07, 2004 1:45:11 pm PDT #2467 of 3902
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
The accent discussion over in Minearverse reminded me that DH's Q&A w/ Billy Boyd went online today. It's here.
[edited to correct URL]
sumi - Apr 07, 2004 1:50:52 pm PDT #2468 of 3902
Art Crawl!!!
That link didn't work for me.