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LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".  

Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".

A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.


Calli - Mar 04, 2004 7:13:42 am PST #2191 of 3902
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Isn't Aragorn 1/8th elf or something like that? My knowledge of the whole geneology thing is dim and affected by drink and late hours, but I have some memory of him being a distant cousin of Arwen's. Of course, she's part human, so I guess it could be on that side of things.


flea - Mar 04, 2004 7:20:07 am PST #2192 of 3902
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Aragorn is all man.

Read that any way you want.

(Okay, like 50 generations back he gets into the elfy territory, but basically, man).

No doubt Nutty will now appear to clarify exactly how many generations back, and who.


Jessica - Mar 04, 2004 7:20:21 am PST #2193 of 3902
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I'm now earwormed with Adam Sandler filk.

Aragorn's part Elvish, Arwen is too / together they make one fine-looking Elf.


Consuela - Mar 04, 2004 9:03:39 am PST #2194 of 3902
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Aragorn's 5000-years-back grandparents were half-elven.


§ ita § - Mar 04, 2004 9:04:55 am PST #2195 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Is there an Elvish one-drop rule?


Consuela - Mar 04, 2004 10:20:58 am PST #2196 of 3902
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Is there an Elvish one-drop rule?

Snerk, no.

... well, I dunno. It's implied that the half-elven prior to Earendil were treated by all as elvish: Dior inherited Thingol's throne, etc. But Elros and Elrond had to make a choice, as did Elrond's children, as to which people they would belong to. I wonder what would have happened if Arwen, Elrohir, or Elladan had had children before Elrond left Middle-Earth.


Calli - Mar 04, 2004 10:43:33 am PST #2197 of 3902
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Dior inherited Thingol's throne

Thingol just sounds like a place-holder name to me, along the lines of whatchamcallit and thingy. I'm sure there's some deep linguistic significance to it, but my brain keeps picturing Tolkien going, "Elf names, elf names, more blasted elf names. What's a good elf name for that one with the throne? Heck, I'll just put in 'Thingol' until I have a chance to come up with something better." My train of thought for the naming of the Sea of Nurnen is similar.

I've started rereading the books, and I'm just about to the Battle of Helm's Deep in The Two Towers. Boy howdy, I'm liking them better this time through. Picturing various pretty pretty actors is only part of it. I don't think I was ready for Tolkien's writing style the first time around.


Consuela - Mar 04, 2004 10:52:35 am PST #2198 of 3902
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Thingol just sounds like a place-holder name to me

Thingol's original name was Olwe, I think, but he took a new one when he met Melian and decided to rule errr, memfault, Menegroth, Mindolluin, Me- me- me- Argh. Whatever. The big foresty place in the middle of the map.


JohnSweden - Mar 04, 2004 11:45:50 am PST #2199 of 3902
I can't even.

Thingol just sounds like a place-holder name to me

"Thingol comes from sindacollo, 'grey cloak'", according to Arda.

Also:

In his early life, millennia before the beginning of the First Age, Thingol journeyed to Valinor with Ingwë and Finwë, and was returned to the Eldar who dwelt at Cuiviënen. From the travellers' reports of the Blessed Realm, many of the Elves marched westward across Middle-earth, seeking the land of the Valar, and the third and greatest host of the Elves, the Teleri, were led by Thingol and his brother Olwë.

As they neared the western coasts of Middle-earth, Thingol came upon Melian the Maia in the wood of Nan Elmoth. Long years passed, and at length he remained with Melian in Beleriand, though many of the Teleri passed West over the Great Sea. With Melian, Thingol founded the woodland realm of Doriath in the central regions of Beleriand, and there ruled the Sindar for many years. Thingol's doom came upon him when Beren brought him a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown as the bride-price of his daughter Lúthien. He summoned Dwarves from the Blue Mountains to set the jewel in the necklace Nauglamír, and the Dwarves became so enamoured of their work that they slew Thingol in his own treasury.


§ ita § - Mar 04, 2004 12:29:30 pm PST #2200 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm scanning the movie quotes on IMDB, and I just noticed a capitalisation which makes me laugh:

Eomer: We cannot attain victory through strength of arms.
Aragorn: Not for ourselves, but we can give Frodo his chance if we keep Sauron's eye fixed upon us, and keep it blind to all else that moves.
Legolas: A Diversion.

It's probably a typo, but that's exactly how he says it. He had the worst lines.