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LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".  

Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".

A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.


§ ita § - Feb 09, 2004 11:12:58 am PST #1770 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

1) Yes.

2) I don't think Eomer's riders fled to Helm's Deep. They were wandering off with Eomer.

3) BLIND, I tell you, BLIND.


Steph L. - Feb 09, 2004 11:16:23 am PST #1771 of 3902
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Eomer had some guys with him. Remember the group that met up with Legolas and Gimli and Aragorn at the beginning? One assumes that they remained loyal to Eomer.

But....when they come pouring down into Helm's Deep behind Gandalf, there's a kazillion of them! I would expect maybe his 3 closest buddies to be like "Yo, E-man, we ain't gonna desert youze. We're witcha the whole way." (Or something similar.)

But that's a lot of Rohrrim. It just seemed odd, given that I haven't read the books.


§ ita § - Feb 09, 2004 11:17:42 am PST #1772 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Eomer has a force, though. He takes them with.


Calli - Feb 09, 2004 11:20:25 am PST #1773 of 3902
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Eomer has a force, though. He takes them with.

And in RotK we see various bands of Rohrrim answering their King's call to arms. While there's no textev. that I remember in the movie, I could easily see Eomer et al picking up a few dozen extras enroute to Helms Deep.


Jessica - Feb 09, 2004 11:23:48 am PST #1774 of 3902
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

In banishing Eomer, Wormtongue also essentially banished the entire army (which was his goal, so that Rohan would be weak for Sauruman). The small band that Aragorn & co ran into weren't his entire force.


Elena - Feb 09, 2004 11:25:25 am PST #1775 of 3902
Thanks for all the fish.

And Aragorn tells Theoden that if he calls Eomer - either 300 or 3000 - riders will come with him.


Theodosia - Feb 09, 2004 11:35:21 am PST #1776 of 3902
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Gandalf rides off (telling Théoden et alia to look for him 3 days hence at dawn) to find Éomer and gather what scattered bands of fighters he can find. Presumably Éomer was sulking in Northern Rohan with a lot of the disaffected army.


Steph L. - Feb 09, 2004 11:35:47 am PST #1777 of 3902
I look more rad than Lutheranism

In banishing Eomer, Wormtongue also essentially banished the entire army (which was his goal, so that Rohan would be weak for Sauruman).

Aha! That makes sense, now that you say it.

And Aragorn tells Theoden that if he calls Eomer - either 300 or 3000 - riders will come with him.

I don't remember that, mostly b/c I haven't re-watched TTT all the way through yet -- only caught the end at the gym, and I'm still working my way through the extras on my LotR EE DVD (which I just got this Xmas).


Consuela - Feb 09, 2004 11:38:21 am PST #1778 of 3902
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

In the novel, Eomer was traveling with a troop of about 100 when he ambushed the orc troop that had Merry & Pippin. He isn't banished in the novel, either, and fights at Helms Deep with Aragorn and Theoden; the rescuing army with Gandalf is *memfault* and the men of the Westfold, who had been defeated and scattered in the same battle that killed Theodred (the king's son).

In the movie, Eomer must pick up the men of Westfold, because there's WAY more men with him at Helms Deep than he had when he met Aragorn.


Nutty - Feb 09, 2004 11:41:45 am PST #1779 of 3902
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I believe it's 3000. Yeah, basically, it's like if Truman told MacArthur to go away, and MacArthur went away by driving across Missouri, picking up disgruntled veterans as he went. So, when called out of exile in Canada, MacArthur came zooming in with a lot more people than he'd originally left with.

Not that Eomer would ever smoke a corncob pipe, or that MacArthur would ever, you know, obey his properly-appointed leader.

they're the original 9 kings of men?

There were some kings. It's to be taken that while Strider's kin were yukkin it up in Atlantis, there were a bunch of petty kings rolling around Middle-earth, and they were the ones that got corrupted. So when Atlantis did the Atlantis thing and foundered, and Strider's kin came along refugee-like to create what is now the kingdom of Gondor, there was effectively a huge leadership vacuum in Midle-earth, due to several of the major mannish kings being undead.

And Elendil's your uncle: kingdom and 3000 years of genetic hegemony.