This is my boat. They're part of my crew. No one's getting left. Best you get used to that.

Mal ,'Ariel'


LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".  

Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".

A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.


Nutty - Jan 26, 2004 7:34:03 am PST #1497 of 3902
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I had never actually seen Fran Walsh before - she's adorable!!

I was convinced I'd never put a name to the voice, based on the way the DVDs are presented. I guess, though, that if I were going to pick a moment to be the 'public face' of a creative couple, it would be while accepting awards for a large accomplishment. You're right, she is pretty, but I hadn't been paying attention, and I had to ask my roommate, "Who is that on the stage with Howard?" And I didn't believe her till Fran opened her mouth.

Ken, word on the compression of the march to the Black Gate. If it only took the combined armies of Everyone and Everybody 30 seconds to get there, how come it took Sam and Frodo seemingly weeks (and 2+ hours) to traverse the same territory heading in the other direction?? I mean, I know Hobbit legs are shorter, but this is ridiculous.

With luck, that means there's more to be put in there in the extendo-return. If the extendo edition is really going to be 4:15, I worry -- I can think of a lot of footage, probably more than 45 minutes, that needs to be shoehorned in!


Jessica - Jan 26, 2004 7:36:31 am PST #1498 of 3902
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

If it only took the combined armies of Everyone and Everybody 30 seconds to get there, how come it took Sam and Frodo seemingly weeks (and 2+ hours) to traverse the same territory heading in the other direction?? I mean, I know Hobbit legs are shorter, but this is ridiculous.

Either Pelennor Fields took place much earlier than it seems, or Frodo and Sam were standing on that cliff for several hours twiddling their thumbs waiting for the orcs to move. But as cut, the chronology doesn't hold up.


Katie M - Jan 26, 2004 7:39:08 am PST #1499 of 3902
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Well, there's an awful lot of slogging across the Gorgoroth that doesn't get into the movie.


Elena - Jan 26, 2004 7:39:51 am PST #1500 of 3902
Thanks for all the fish.

I would think that The Houses of Healing on their own would be at least 30 minutes.


Frankenbuddha - Jan 26, 2004 7:43:43 am PST #1501 of 3902
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

But as cut, the chronology doesn't hold up.

Yeah, it's odd. They fixed the synch up between Shelob and the rest of the group, in that they now take place on-screen about when they'd take place in time, but then they compressed the hell out of the end-run and threw the timeline out of whack again.

Granted, the endless slog throught Mordor and "I can't go on...I must go on...it's so heavy..." is probably the hardest going for me these days on re-reading the books.


Jessica - Jan 26, 2004 7:43:47 am PST #1502 of 3902
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Well, there's an awful lot of slogging across the Gorgoroth that doesn't get into the movie.

No, before that -- the time in between when Frodo and Sam are saying "gee, that's a lot of orcs" and "hey, the orcs are moving, let's go!" doesn't seem to be that long, from their perspective. (Since they haven't moved at all.) But when you look at what happens to the other characters during that time (Pelennor Fields ends, Aragorn changes clothes, they make a plan to ride to the Black Gate, they do so), it just doesn't line up.


Katie M - Jan 26, 2004 7:49:10 am PST #1503 of 3902
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Oh. Yeah, that's true. (I'm sorry that they didn't put in the they're-mistaken-for-orcs scene, but then I might've had Where There's A Whip There's A Way flashbacks, so it's probably just as well.)


§ ita § - Jan 26, 2004 8:10:48 am PST #1504 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Lookit! Crying hobbits!


sumi - Jan 26, 2004 8:22:27 am PST #1505 of 3902
Art Crawl!!!

Awww, so sweet.


MechaKrelboyne - Jan 26, 2004 8:23:33 am PST #1506 of 3902
... and that's a Pantera's box you don't want to open. - Mister Furious

Granted, the endless slog throught Mordor and "I can't go on...I must go on...it's so heavy..." is probably the hardest going for me these days on re-reading the books.

Just so. 'It's cold. We don't have much Lembas left. My shoulder hurts. This ring is heavy.' When I read it the first time I would keep stopping to wonder if Tolkien was doing it deliberately to try and make reading about it as mind numbingly horrible as doing something about it. Now, I'm just. 'Yeah, suck it up and march, Shire Boy. Let's get to the good stuff.'