I mean, let's say you did kill us. Or didn't. There could be torture. Whatever. But somehow you found the goods. What would your cut be?

Mal ,'Out Of Gas'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Hayden - Feb 22, 2006 11:07:55 am PST #9957 of 10002
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I've heard that from a few other people, but Never Let Me Go is the first Ishiguro novel I've read.


billytea - Feb 22, 2006 12:29:26 pm PST #9958 of 10002
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

I've heard that from a few other people, but Never Let Me Go is the first Ishiguro novel I've read.

I've just read the two, but I have When We Were Orphans sitting on my pile of the Unread at home. I like his style a great deal. Someone who can produce such an emotional broadside without you ever seeing it coming is a remarkable talent.


Hayden - Feb 22, 2006 1:26:42 pm PST #9959 of 10002
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

Seriously! I compared him to a magician on my blog. Marilynne Robinson has a somewhat similar masterful approach to subtle realism and emotional misdirection.


DebetEsse - Feb 22, 2006 7:08:25 pm PST #9960 of 10002
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Jilli, I liked Son of a Witch. I may still be living in the land of believing that there will be a part 2.

Aimee,apart from the lack of ending, what bothered you?


Aims - Feb 22, 2006 7:29:21 pm PST #9961 of 10002
Shit's all sorts of different now.

The plot points that were mentioned and never followed through.


DebetEsse - Feb 23, 2006 3:13:09 am PST #9962 of 10002
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Come join me in the land of anticipating a trilogy. We've got the minions building some pyramids. They're quite fetching.


Calli - Feb 23, 2006 5:32:23 am PST #9963 of 10002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Say, noir fans, it looks like there's an imprint specifically for Spillane-esque novels: [link]


erikaj - Feb 23, 2006 5:35:56 am PST #9964 of 10002
Always Anti-fascist!

Cool. More crack. Debet, talking about pyramids? Makes your tag really fitting


DavidS - Feb 23, 2006 6:22:25 am PST #9965 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Is a mysterious/ambiguous/unresolved ending desireable?

My favorite ending is probably Flannery O'Connor's "A Good Man Is Hard To Find" which has plenty of mystery but little ambiguity.

The ending to "Good Country People" is also shocking but twisted and satisfying.

I.B. Singer's short stories tend to gently sled to a stop, but have no less kick for that.

Singer and O'Connor and Fitzgerald are my favorite short story writers. "Babylon Revisted" doesn't need a kicker ending to have a huge punch.

When I moved to San Francisco I went to a used book store and bought a different Singer collection once a month. They were so cheap and so good. "The Spinoza of Market Street," "Taibele and Her Demon," "Gimpel the Fool." (the latter a big part of my moral formation)

Borges short stories are mysterious and ambiguous and the endings tend to point you toward the metaphoric base, and resolve some puzzle elements. So he works backwards from Raq's formulation.


Hayden - Feb 23, 2006 6:35:59 am PST #9966 of 10002
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I'm fond of the short stories of O'Connor & Borges, too. Hemingway is a surprisingly great short story writer, much better than he was a novelist. I don't necessarily agree that they have to end abruptly or ambiguously, but I think that, like many writing techniques, the short sharp shock can be very effective when performed well.

I just checked the Bible of current teaching about short stories: the current Norton Anthology of Short Fiction, which has made some pretty interesting changes from the one used in my Freshman English Lit class some 16 years ago. For one, having modern authors write about older short stories, such as Barry Hannah on "Heart of Darkness," sounds fascinating. Although they've tilted a bit more modern with the inclusion of writers like Hannah, Madison Smartt Bell, and Andrea Barrett, they still have a good grasp on the stories that I would consider the most influential to modern short fiction writing, such as Raymond Carver's "Cathedral," Faulkner's "The Bear," Welty's "Why I Live At The P.O.," and Hemingway's "Hills Like White Elephants." I'm interested to go home and see what's been cut now.