So, why haven't you read any of their stuff?

Oh, just haven't gotten around to it yet--Swordspoint and Thomas the Rhymer have been on my list for ages. Maybe I'll pick up one of them at the bookstore tomorrow after my class. From what I've heard, they're exactly my kind of book.

Having read--and loved--several things of hers, I wrote Kushner a fan letter once, and got a lovely reply from her.

Very cool! I like her already.

I have a Goblet Of Fire question. Watching the movie stripped so much away from the book, and I don't remember much of that anyway.

As a friend said -- what a plan! Build a mountain to make Harry climb to the top of it and touch something, instead of just reaching over and grabbing him any old time.

Was there a justification for why Crouch Jr. went through all that effort when he had Harry right there for the bloodletting the whole year?

Well, he had to get Harry to the graveyard somehow, right? I don't think he could have just taken a vial of Harry's blood and brought it to Voldemort; I think Harry had to be there, probably alive. (No memory of whether or not this was explained in the book or whether it's just my fanwank.) Anyway, so you can't Apparate or Disapparate from the Hogwarts grounds, or Floo in or out, and there wouldn't have been all that many opportunities to grab Harry and make off with him through the Hogwarts gates, so... this was the easiest way?

It's a half-assed explanation at best, but it's what I remember from the book.

Was there a justification for why Crouch Jr. went through all that effort when he had Harry right there for the bloodletting the whole year?

ita, I hadn't watched the movie and I've read the book quite a while ago, but in the book the whole plan had a point.

They needed to get Harry to where Voldemort wanted to do his resurrection spell, where his (V's) father was burried. The way to do it was to use a portkey, touching an object that transforms you from one place to another (it was introduced on the World Cup, in the book - that's how Harry and co. got there).

However, these don't work in Hogwarts (just like apparating doesn't work there). So they needed to plan a way for Harry to touch one, in a place where Hogwarts' safety spells were drawn off. That's the maze for the third challenge, IIRC. So they had to make sure Harry gets there and gets to the Cup first, because that's the only portkey they could have him touch.

Harry had to actually be there, not just his blood - Voldemort tries to kill him (and fails, again, but that's not the point of his plan).

Um, IIRC, and I'm not really sure IRC, but I've just skimmed this thread and that was the only topic I recognized, so there you go.

[Edit: at least IR similarly to Kate, with whom I x-posted.]

I also think that Voldemort wanted to be the one to kill Harry, and until the spell was done, he wouldn't have been strong or mobile enough to do so.

So why not make just anything a portkey? Why risk his death to make it the TriWizard cup?

I think because of what Nilly said, here, about Portkeys:

However, these don't work in Hogwarts (just like apparating doesn't work there). So they needed to plan a way for Harry to touch one, in a place where Hogwarts' safety spells were drawn off. That's the maze for the third challenge, IIRC. So they had to make sure Harry gets there and gets to the Cup first, because that's the only portkey they could have him touch.

There would have been easier ways, but then there wouldn't have been Harry in Mortal Danger (even before meeting Voldemort, I mean).

Or Dragons.

The safety spells were off for every trial, though. Assuming they never go off campus (do they not, in the book?) it seems that Crouch could have impersonated anyone, got close to him before they even started school, and if not, just make a dragon's egg a portkey and boom!

It seemed way too convoluted as a film's plot.

It seemed way too convoluted as a film's plot.

We just got back from the movie, and I have to agree. I enjoyed it, no question, but it's been a while since I read the book. Except...I don't remember the book's plot pinging me as absurd or too convoluted. I think something got lost in the translation here, because I too walked away thinking, If it was Crouch Jr. the whole time, surely all that was unnecessary?

I mean, I read Nilly's explanation, too, which makes sense, but they clearly didn't explain some things in the movie.

I agree, for a movie plot. I think this movie was very dependent on the book and really didn't work as a stand alone piece, but I'm okay with that.

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