You always think harder is better. Maybe next time I patrol, I should carry bricks and use a stake made out of butter.

Buffy ,'The Killer In Me'


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There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Consuela - Nov 27, 2005 6:23:54 pm PST #9585 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I posted a brief review here. [link]

And this is what I ended with: This isn't a novel about the glory of war; neither is it a heartwarming story about how the villagers all pulled together to save the Jews. It's about redemption, and broken people trying to make the right choices. About choosing the right path when there is no right path.

Because I didn't feel the novel was about how bad Hitler was: it was about what people do. What people actually did. Yes, terrible things happened, and yes, the action scenes weren't. But that wasn't the point of it. The point really was about the small grace moments when people reached out to one another, risking their lives and their families, to do the right thing. And about the price they paid for that, and about how even well-meaning people can do terrible things -- like the Allies, like Schramm, like Renzo, like the Jesuits in The Sparrow.

I found it moving and heartbreaking and hopeful while also being ultimately very very sad. I don't know that I'd reread it anytime soon, and Russell's narrative choices aren't the ones that I would make, but I don't think that makes it a bad book.

I've never read any Herman Wouk, and the last Leon Uris I read was many years ago; Trinity, I think. The last WWII novel I recall reading is Edith Pargeter's trilogy, written while the war was going on, which makes it particularly interesting. I should probably go back and find that; she's really really good.


§ ita § - Nov 27, 2005 7:44:21 pm PST #9586 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I just finished the first book in Tad Williams's Otherland series. I found it irritatingly dense and vague for the first 2/3, and then when it started to pick up, ended. Which has the effect of making me want to read the next one, stat, so I'm reading Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell since that should give me sufficient time to cool down.

Has anyone read further into the series? I notice there are three more books. Am I setting myself up for more stress?


Katie M - Nov 27, 2005 7:50:46 pm PST #9587 of 10002
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

I read it years ago, ita, and liked it a lot, but it certainly is a big sprawling story. If I remember correctly, you're past a lot of the setup now, so you should get some more forward motion.


Anne W. - Nov 28, 2005 1:47:53 am PST #9588 of 10002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I really enjoyed the series, ita. I agree that Williams did play things a little too close to the vest early on, but the revelations come thick and fast from book 2 on.


§ ita § - Nov 28, 2005 4:13:58 am PST #9589 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Thanks guys. Does it end after four?


Nutty - Nov 28, 2005 4:54:05 am PST #9590 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I didn't feel the novel was about how bad Hitler was

No, me neither. But I would have cut both prologue and afterword, and lectured the author nastily about them.

The point really was about the small grace moments when people reached out to one another, risking their lives and their families, to do the right thing.

I could see that that was the intention; but the execution came across very pedestrian and obvious and -- repetitive of all the other WWII epic novels I've read, and not new. I think it was a tactical mistake to kill people off, near the beginning, in subordinate clauses of sentences; if I'd been able to care about the characters as characters, I might have been willing to buy into the story for their sake. Instead, I was distanced from the start, and when I realized that the author really didn't have anything new up her sleeve, I was pretty annoyed.

I just finished the first book in Tad Williams's Otherland series. I found it irritatingly dense and vague for the first 2/3, and then when it started to pick up, ended

That's about what I recall. I read and enjoyed #2; #3 made me laugh but was too long and I forgot who was who and didn't finish it. Williams does tend to suffer from logorrhea, although some of the imaginary worlds he put together were awesome.

I think it does end after 4.


Katie M - Nov 28, 2005 7:52:25 am PST #9591 of 10002
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Yeah, it does.


§ ita § - Nov 28, 2005 7:54:44 am PST #9592 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Okay, if it ends, I can try. After Norrell/Strange, and perhaps after Adrian Mole And The Weapons Of Mass Destruction which I also started, but am creeped out by a bit. We've always been around the same age, but it's much less cute now.


Steph L. - Nov 28, 2005 11:05:16 am PST #9593 of 10002
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

There's another Adrian Mole book?!?

Wait. Maybe I already knew that, and forgot.


meara - Nov 28, 2005 3:29:35 pm PST #9594 of 10002

Over the weekend I ended up with a cheapo copy of Diana Gabaldon's "Outlander". Enjoyed it, mostly--the other books are ginormous, man--are they worth it? It seems like the kind of thing that could easily get overwrought and ridiculous in, y'know, four more 800 page books, or whatever.