I don't give a good gorram about relevant, Wash. Or objective. And I ain't so afraid of losing something that I ain't gonna try to have it. You and I would make one beautiful baby. And I want to meet that child one day. Period.

Zoe ,'Heart Of Gold'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Consuela - Nov 03, 2005 5:16:42 am PST #9378 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Yes, Nutty. We read, um, Nana, I think. The one about the prostitute. It was very much in the naturalism school. Pretty grim in many ways, although I don't actually recall how it ended.


Consuela - Nov 03, 2005 5:17:32 am PST #9379 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Cinnamon toast: And there weren't any explosions.


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 03, 2005 6:09:14 am PST #9380 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Is there a particular title to look for, or are a lot of the stories scattered about in anthologies?

The stories were collected into Jirel of Joiry back in 1969 (reprinted by Ace in 1977), but originally they're spread across numerous issues of Weird Tales from the 1930s. I've seen the first one, "Black God's Kiss" reprinted in several anthologies, but the others are pretty obscure.


Vonnie K - Nov 03, 2005 6:27:17 am PST #9381 of 10002
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Pretty grim in many ways, although I don't actually recall how it ended.

Nana is the only Emil Zola I've read as well. It ends fairly grimly, too, with Nana dying of smallpox that completely disfigures her, all traces of her beauty destroyed. There is a plot summary of the book here--that's a nice little site btw, with loads of little essays on the portrayal of medicine in literature and visual arts.


Volans - Nov 04, 2005 8:41:14 pm PST #9382 of 10002
move out and draw fire

Just finished Banewreaker by Jacqueline Carey. Here's the review I wrote for Amazon:

It's an interesting conceit to re-tell The Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion from a point of view that's sympathetic to Sauron/Morgoth. And it's more philosophically interesting yet to map that sympathetic evil god to Lucifer, suffering because he gave the gift of sex to humans, but still the only god who will answer a human's prayers.

Interesting conceits do not a novel make, however. Carey seems to having taken a lesson from Robert Jordan, and written 500 pages wherein Nothing Happens.

That may be part of her philosophical study also, mirroring the textual assertion that no matter what people do, fate is pre-ordained. I don't care; it makes for a pointless read. If she'd written this as Lit Crit of Tolkein, or as a writing exercise clearly reversing Tolkein, or as a thought piece about predeterminism, I'd forgive. But it's supposed to be a novel, which means it's supposed to have things like character development and a denouement.

I understand this book and the second, Godslayer, were supposed to be published as one. Perhaps if Carey had edited out several hundred pages of Nothing Happening they could've been, and this would have worked as a novel.


Consuela - Nov 05, 2005 8:29:27 am PST #9383 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I love your snarky tone, Raq. I bounced hard off Carey's first novel, and never looked back. Nothing anyone else has said about her is sufficient to get me back into her stuff.


Typo Boy - Nov 05, 2005 5:40:15 pm PST #9384 of 10002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Hmm. I enjoyed Banewreaker. (I have not read the second one yet.) I enjoyed the worldbuilding, which I thought was fascinating in its own right. I though the characters were real. No they did not undergo a lot of transformation, but they did reveal more of themselves as time went on. Then again I like the LOTR too, and there many complaints that it had long passages with nothing much happening too. Different views...


lisah - Nov 07, 2005 8:18:33 am PST #9385 of 10002
Punishingly Intricate

My housemate and I are a leeetle obsessed with HBO's Rome now and both of us are bemoaning our dearth of knowledge of actual Roman history. Does anybody have any recommendations for well written non-fiction about ancient Rome?


Betsy HP - Nov 07, 2005 8:26:34 am PST #9386 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

Robert Graves's I, Claudius is a classic for a reason. For fluff, Lindsey Davis's Marcus Didius Falco mysteries are a lot of fun.


lisah - Nov 07, 2005 8:33:55 am PST #9387 of 10002
Punishingly Intricate

Robert Graves's I, Claudius is a classic for a reason.

Thanks, Betsy. Yeah I definitely want to check that out but I was looking for some non-fiction too.