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Fred Pete - Oct 25, 2005 7:56:36 am PDT #9275 of 10002
Ann, that's a ferret.

I wouldn't say that about the whole series, ita. But it depends on what you mean by "rape-oriented." A rape (with the anti-hero Covenant as rapist) occurs early in the first book of the first series, and there are significant consequences (you could even say its shadow hangs over the series). But that's the only one I recall.

So if "rape-oriented" means that a rape is a key event, yes. But if "rape-oriented" means that there's one rape after another, no.


§ ita § - Oct 25, 2005 7:57:46 am PDT #9276 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I used oriented to try and back off themed. Not sure what the right word really is. Inspired? Tainted? Coloured?


Volans - Oct 25, 2005 8:08:22 am PDT #9277 of 10002
move out and draw fire

I thought about that also, but decided that since, in the Covenant books, the rape was a Bad Thing, and only happened the once, I file it in a different category than the space series, where the chick gets raped and raped and raped, and starts to really dig on it, and we're supposed to align with the rapists POV.

There's anti-heroes, and then there are assholes.

I *think* this Covenant book is a, um, pre-quel. A la Star Wars.


DXMachina - Oct 25, 2005 8:14:59 am PDT #9278 of 10002
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

I *think* this Covenant book is a, um, pre-quel.

It would kind of have to be, no?

I still resent the fact that despite completely hating Covenant, and completely hating the story Donaldson was telling, I still couldn't put the books down until I finally flung White Gold Wielder across the room.


Volans - Oct 25, 2005 8:20:12 am PDT #9279 of 10002
move out and draw fire

Huh. I flung Lord Foul's Bane across the room. Literally. First book I've ever done that with (but not the last). Right about the time the rape scene happened, in fact.

Then I went back and read all 6, a few years later, as two of my best friends LURVED them. They're okay. His description of the physical link with the Land felt right; I felt that way about New Mexico, and I know he lives in NM. Otherwise, eh.

I read his other stuff too, up until the space ones, when the first one in the series became a wall-banger and I stopped.

Is "This Corrosion" by Sisters of Mercy based on Lord Foul's Bane?


DXMachina - Oct 25, 2005 8:24:54 am PDT #9280 of 10002
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Huh. I flung Lord Foul's Bane across the room. Literally. First book I've ever done that with (but not the last).

I waited until the end of the last book, but my flinging was also literal. I felt pretty bad afterwards, not for hating it so much, but because I'd borrowed it from a friend.


Calli - Oct 25, 2005 8:26:20 am PDT #9281 of 10002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

I hated the first Covenant book and never bothered with the rest. But I liked the two Mirror books. Less whining, I guess.


Emily - Oct 25, 2005 8:26:46 am PDT #9282 of 10002
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Ironically, just the other day I was pronouncing John McPhee's two-part essay on coal trains in the New Yorker kinda boring, because, I just don't care about coal trains. But the topic was boring, and, considering I was reading about coal trains, the writing was pretty good.

Oh, is that only a two-part? Thank goodness. I actually read all of the first part without really meaning to, because it kept me just interested enough to keep reading. But I sort of resented it, because I don't give that much of a rat's ass (1/16 of an ass, if you're wondering) and I didn't even gain interesting factoids.

Also, really couldn't get into the Covenant books. The rape didn't help, but I also think it takes a lighter hand to do an anti-hero effectively. Actually, I don't know what it takes, but something other than what he had. If I remember correctly, I found the main character alternately whiny and, er... dissociated? Disaffected? Distanced?


Emily - Oct 25, 2005 8:28:46 am PDT #9283 of 10002
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Calli, thank you, I thought I remembered reading something else by him but couldn't remember what. I'm not sure I liked the Mirror Books, but I was at least able to read them. I still felt like something was missing, but it may just be that I'm too attached to liking main characters and wanting at least some good things to happen to them.


Susan W. - Oct 25, 2005 8:34:43 am PDT #9284 of 10002
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

I was depressed yet fascinated by the Covenant books when I read them 12 years ago because they were so unlike anything I'd read before. I'm not sure how they'd hold up now with practically my entire adult reading experience behind me (including much, much more fantasy--at the time I'd only ever read Narnia and the Belgariad).