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We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Topic!Cindy - Jul 21, 2005 3:08:44 pm PDT #8438 of 10002
What is even happening?

See, everyone should start out fandom in a Mutant Enemy fandom, or a Soap Opera. It's the only way to learn hard, fast, and for real about getting your heart crushed under the boot of a writer.


JZ - Jul 21, 2005 3:10:23 pm PDT #8439 of 10002
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Eucch. And, among many other cringey things, I can't help wondering exactly how that person read the books, what lenses or blinders or chamber of mirrors she was using to take it all in. Because I really, really can't see that there was that much basis for what that shipper, and all the others, pinned all their hopes on.

Not to waste vast amounts of energy on picking apart the craxy shippers (having probably way less moral highground on that front than Fay), but I couldn't get two paragraphs into the first page of that site without catching my eye on this:

What happened to the Hermione who longed to spend time with Harry and was so sorely disappointed that he was not made prefect with her? What happened to the Hermione who was Harry's number one confidant?

Ummm... wha? I've just gone back and started rereading OoTP after finishing HBP, and I read the prefect section Wednesday night, so it's fairly fresh in my mind. And she wasn't all that sorely disappointed. She was a little disconcerted because she and Harry had always been the big achievers and Ron the shuffly supporto-guy Xander of the trio, and this changed their dynamics considerably; and she was upset that Harry was upset -- but sorely disappointed? Nuh uh. What book was this chick reading?

And as to her second question, she's standing right exactly there. Throughout HBP Harry indicates again and again, and doesn't hesitate to say out loud, how much respect he has for Hermione's abilities and how deeply he values her as a friend; the book ends, after all that sorrow, with his vast relief and joy that she, along with Ron, will be unshakably at his side no matter what happens next. Her friendship and loyalty are exactly half of what makes the horror of the end of the book bearable to him.

Grrr. This woman's getting up my nose. She needs to (a) read the actual text that's actually there, and (b) possibly enjoy the fact that for once in a berjillion years there's a decently written m/f friendship that's deep and true and yet remains purely friendship. Bah.


Fay - Jul 21, 2005 3:22:19 pm PDT #8440 of 10002
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

Word, JZ. Word word word.


Anne W. - Jul 21, 2005 3:45:40 pm PDT #8441 of 10002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

JZ, I especially agree with this bit:

for once in a berjillion years there's a decently written m/f friendship that's deep and true and yet remains purely friendship.

That is something that is so rare and many of the younger readers desperately need to see, I think.

I'm also delighted that the Xanderish character is the one who gets the girl.


tommyrot - Jul 21, 2005 3:47:31 pm PDT #8442 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Gotta love shipper wars.

Now I'm picturing some movie set in the post-Shipper Wars future... society has crumbled, much like in the Mad Max movies....


Polter-Cow - Jul 21, 2005 4:22:01 pm PDT #8443 of 10002
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Narrator, a friend of mine has a different theory about the Gryffindor artifact. He thinks it's the Sorting Hat, through which Voldemort has been manipulating Hogwarts for years.


Kathy A - Jul 21, 2005 5:15:46 pm PDT #8444 of 10002
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Nice theory, but if you look at that interview with JKR, she states that the Sorting Hat is never wrong, meaning (IMO) that it can't be manipulated, either.

I've been hanging out in one of the HP forums over at World Crossing, but I'm thinking about bailing because there are some craxy theories floating around there, including that Dumbledore might have made a Horcrux for himself! I posted that that would go against everything that DD taught and lived his life for. I think that people aren't thinking about what they saying, they just want canon to not be what JKR made it. The very sweet girl who posted that just wants Dumbledore alive again.


JZ - Jul 21, 2005 5:55:58 pm PDT #8445 of 10002
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

yes, JKR has confirmed that the barman is Dumbledore's brother. I believe there was some hint earlier on in one of the books when Harry noticed he smelled of goats, and Dumbledore had made some rather disconcerting comment regarding his brother and goats at some point.

In Chapter 16 of OoTP, I just read the narrator describe the barman at the Hog's Head thusly:

He was a grumpy-looking old man with a great deal of long gray hair and beard. He was tall and thin and looked vaguely familiar to Harry.

Whereupon I promptly had a retroactive continuitygasm.

Also, how on earth did I miss on my first reading that when Ron got all snarly about his baby sister starting to date, he didn't walk up and down the streets of Hogsmeade muttering or snarling or sulking -- no, he was chuntering under his breath. I'm so in love with that verb and can't think how I didn't notice it before. (Also worth noting, in the same scene Hermione is cheerfully teasey toward Harry about Cho giving him the eye. Not jealous, not pining, just quietly pleased and amused. Again, what books have these other people been reading? Certainly not the ones JKR actually wrote.)

Oh. Oh, yeah. I nearly forgot there's a whole other book since this one. Which I shall probably re-read as soon as I'm finished with this, 'cause now I'm all curious, and also worked up and eager for more continuitygasms.


Kathy A - Jul 21, 2005 6:03:49 pm PDT #8446 of 10002
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

A good continuitygasm that someone over at the Sugar Quill pointed out--OotP is not the first time we see the Vanishing Cabinet--we see it actually getting broken back in Chamber of Secrets, when Peeves busts it! Between that and the locket in OotP, I'm loving the continuity.


beth b - Jul 21, 2005 8:13:02 pm PDT #8447 of 10002
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

I was trying to remember where the Vanishing Cabinet had shown up before.

I love when reading the most recent book in a series makes me think about rereading the others.

I just finished rereading Blue is for Nightmares a YA book about a girl who has dreams that predict the future. Lots of Wiccan-looking practices ( I am not a wiccan - so I won't disscuss how real they are ) that could be used by someone interested in wicca and spells. I read thru all the reviews of it on Amazon- and no one talked about how evil it was for promoting witchcraft. It is very interesting to see HP being villinized for promoting wichcraft - yet a book that might stir some real curiosity is ignored. ( BTW, it was an ok book. Interesting , but not as suspenseful as I had hoped. how ever all the kids ( that misspell worse than I do ) seem to love it.)