I posted this in my LJ a few weeks ago, but it seems vaguely appropriate now:

So I'm at Borders (or, more accurately, the Seattle's Best Coffee in Borders) reading Rats Saw God when a couple begins hemming and hawing over where to sit. The man vocalizes a plan to get me to move so they can have adjacent seats, and before he can ask me directly, I get up and move. The woman asks if it's okay with me, and the man answers that it's okay, I'm a good man. I am.

The woman begins talking about the coming of 826 to Ann Arbor, the writing workshop that uses a pirate store for a front in San Francisco and a superhero store for a front in New York. I tell her I've heard about the pirate store. The existence of this discussion serves to highlight the terms I am on with these people.

Later on, as I sit down with my Javakula (which does not hold a candle to a frappuccino), the man noticed what I am reading.

"So you're reading a teen book?" he says. Because there's a little sticker saying "Teen" on the spine.

"Yeah, have you heard of Veronica Mars?"

He shakes his head no. Of course he hasn't. Because no one has.

"It's a television show, and the creator wrote a bunch of young adult novels, so I'm reading them this summer."

"I was asking, because you look a bit beyond the teen stage." Because teen books are only to be read by teens.

"Yeah, I'm twenty-three. But just because they're written for a younger audience doesn't mean they're not good books."

"Do you want to be a teacher?" Because that's the only reason one would read a book for teens.

"...No. Well, I guess I could be one."

"You've read Catcher in the Rye?" Because that is the only book about teenagers that is acceptable to be read by twenty-three-year-olds.

"Yeah."

See if I give up my seat for you ever again, Mr. Judgmental O'Philistine.

We won't even go into the weird looks I get when I'm immersed in Tale of Two Cities. I know you're supposed to feel charitable towards the less-fortunate, but, dammit, this stuff is at the library! For free! Books don't bite!

These anecdotes are reasons I'm glad that Oprah and Salon are doing "Revisit the Classics" book clubs. A local radio station's mid-morning show hosts have a "Radio Readers' Club," and even though they use mostly newer books (because a big part of the club is that they talk to the author some six weeks after they announce the assigned book), they did have 1984 once about a year ago. I think that they spoke with a Lit prof from Loyola or the UofChicago. I was just pleased that they had their listeners reading a classic. (They've also read books like The Kite Runner, Devil in the White City, and Bee Season.)

JZ is, once again, me. And Chaucer is very funny. Sometimes you want to remind people that many of the classics were, in their day, the equivalent of American Idol or the latest Stephen King. People mobbed the ships to get the latest installment of Dickens and cried in the streets when they learned Little Nell had died.

I swear, the person edged away from me.

Well, clearly he was afraid that smartness might be catching, like cooties. Wouldn't want that!

I remember reading Medea and finding it so over the top that I laughed and laughed. Perhaps not the appropriate response, but I was surprised ot enjoy it so much...

Am-Chau:

I absolutely think that without the long history, it would never have worked. It's one of those situations where the alignment of stars makes you wonder if the author is trying to say something about fate, but then I start trying to work out the time loop, and my brain goes splody.

I'm working out thoughts on possible comparisons, but they need to simmer.

You are more than welcome to use the terminology.

many open-loop stories revolve around efforts *not* to change the timeline

Yes, very much so. (It actually came up for me in thinking about Stargate, which is one of the few canons to have both types of time travel)

I'm afraid that 'what would it take to make this relationship unhealthy?' is one of my fairly standard questions about fictional relationships; I think it has something to do with writing fanfic.

I adore this question.

but then I start trying to work out the time loop, and my brain goes splody.

I am not surprised. It makes my brain whimper and crawl away, too.

(It actually came up for me in thinking about Stargate, which is one of the few canons to have both types of time travel)

This thread may or may not be the place, but I'd love to hear more about this (I've just finished my months-long catch-up watch of the entire SG-1 canon).

I adore this question.

I'm rather fond of it myself, I confess. It can be very revealing about the canon, especially those times when you realise the answer is "nothing more is needed".

The problem with this, like many closed-loop stories, is that there is no way that one half could happen without the other (ie- he wouldn't have gone back to those times if he hadn't known her, and he wouldn't have known her if he hadn't gone back. And that sound you hear ismy brain going *poof*)

Re: SG1, meet you in Boxed Set? I've not seen 7, but I'm aware of most of what happens.

In this case, though, I don't think that it's inherently unhealthy, given the people involved. There are people for whom it would be, but, in this case, nsm.

It impressed me that they were able to draw me a Henry who I believed had been a time-traveler his entire life. I can believe that it would be impossible to be a successful person under the traditional model. Punk librarian works for me, on both ends.

At that point, you start asking questions about cause and effect, and whether there's something outside that loop which has decided that Henry and Clare should be together, and somehow sets the loop in motion. But then I start quoting ancient Greek dramatists on the subject of fate and Zeus.

Re: SG1, meet you in Boxed Set? I've not seen 7, but I'm aware of most of what happens.

Yeah, okay. I'll dodge any SV spoilers (being in Britian, I'm way behind, but since I keep missing episodes and not caring, I think I'll cope).

My dear, punk librarian is always a good thing. But yes, all the characters were well-drawn, actually. I found Clare quite compelling, and Henry's family interesting, too. The only one I didn't 'connect' with was Alba, and that might be because she was such a minor character in some regards.