Hermanos! The devil has built a robot!

Numero Cinco ,'The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


DebetEsse - Jun 16, 2005 10:32:30 pm PDT #7904 of 10002
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I don't think Henry is the one who decides that for Claire. I'm not really sure that anyone does (the visit list being a self-fulfilling prophecy), but she's at least complicit in it, to the extent someone for whom this has been the defining through-line of her life from a very young age can be complicit. It would be interesting to ask her if she would change it, if she could. Somehow, I don't think she would. It's so key to her identity that, however much she might hate parts of it, her world would fall apart if Henry were normal.

It is a very pre-destined Universe. It's because of that that Henry can't change anything that happened before "now" (What I call a Closed-Loop Time Travel Story, where everything resolves to the same point, rather than and Open-Loop, where you change the past to change the present. I don't want to talk about the amount of time I spend thinking about these things.). I think he said something about the feeling of being impelled to actions in the Past.

It is interesting, to me, that it takes very little tweaking to turn it into a very unhealthy relationship, which I hadn't thought about before. If you make either of them less complicit in the relationship, it gets downright creepy real fast.


Jim - Jun 17, 2005 3:59:28 am PDT #7905 of 10002
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

So I'm about a third of the way through Moby Dick . It's very good, and gives me that jolt you get when you read/hear something which has been widely imitated. Pynchon, in particular, seems to have copped huge amounts of his digressive multi-voice style from Melville

Any Buffistas read it?


Nutty - Jun 17, 2005 4:37:35 am PDT #7906 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I know Hayden has. I, however, have not.

I justify this lapse by the fact that I live in and around Melville's environs, know a fair amount about the whaling business, and could probably mark out the parts where he is making stuff up.

Ironically, I have read the first chapter, aloud -- on a beach. My mother has some strange ideas about beach reading.


Connie Neil - Jun 17, 2005 4:40:21 am PDT #7907 of 10002
brillig

Never read it, passed the test on it in high school with flying colors. Our English teacher wrote each test individually based on what we talked about in class, and he filled out the test with questions about the footnotes. All I did was listen to the talks about metaphors and characterization and read all the footnotes.


Ginger - Jun 17, 2005 4:51:14 am PDT #7908 of 10002
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I've read Moby Dick three times and I'm thinking it's about time to read it again. It's great.

I don't know that Melville made much stuff up, at least in terms of day-to-day whaling. He did work as a seaman for about four years, much of that on whaling ships.


Strix - Jun 17, 2005 4:58:49 am PDT #7909 of 10002
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

I read it -- kinda -- for a AmLit class, but didn't pay that much attention to it. I was too busy skipping class and getting high, and I was all a BritLit snob.


-t - Jun 17, 2005 5:05:02 am PDT #7910 of 10002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I read Moby Dick a few years ago. I was amazed at how funny it was. No one had ever told me it was enjoyable and amusing, just important and long.


Sophia Brooks - Jun 17, 2005 5:05:35 am PDT #7911 of 10002
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I read it -- kinda -- for a AmLit class, but didn't pay that much attention to it. I was too busy skipping class and getting high, and I was all a BritLit snob.

me, too Well, minus the high. Although I often skipped class to go shoe shopping.


Strix - Jun 17, 2005 5:10:30 am PDT #7912 of 10002
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

I went to college in a teeny town in MO. Th eonly place to buy shoes was Wal-Mart.

Remaining as stoned as possible was kinda a defense mechanism.


Nutty - Jun 17, 2005 5:13:03 am PDT #7913 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I was amazed at how funny it was.

Suddenly flashing back to that parody someone did -- DX? Tom Scola? -- which was all about Jonathan becoming morose, following funerals in the street etc., and inevitably heading back to Sunnydale. Perfect!