Oh, I'm gonna go to the special hell.

Mal ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


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There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Susan W. - Mar 03, 2005 4:09:33 pm PST #7114 of 10002
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

I don't need heroes to root for. I need interesting people, and they aren't always wearing the whitest of hats. It's all about, I suppose, how many flaws you're willing to accept. I don't enjoy books about unflawed people.

Just because I'm not all "Yay, petty theft" or "Woohoo, piracy" you assume I want to read books about unflawed people?


DavidS - Mar 03, 2005 4:10:23 pm PST #7115 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

you assume I want to read books about unflawed people?

Anybody who isn't "Yay Piracy!" is pretty suspect.


Jesse - Mar 03, 2005 4:13:06 pm PST #7116 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

For the record, I have never rooted for petty theft. Well, except yesterday when I was re-reading Strong Poison and Miss Climpson's woman was sneaking around.


§ ita § - Mar 03, 2005 4:13:56 pm PST #7117 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Just because I'm not all "Yay, petty theft" or "Woohoo, piracy" you assume I want to read books about unflawed people?

Susan, check back -- I didn't say anything about you refusing flaws. You're not in the sentence about unflawed people at all. Just me. You're in the sentence about "how many flaws you're willing to accept," which was in no way meant to say "if you accept flaws or not."

It's not a binary scenario, and I didn't posit it as such.


Susan W. - Mar 03, 2005 4:14:46 pm PST #7118 of 10002
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Well, except yesterday when I was re-reading Strong Poison and Miss Climpson's woman was sneaking around.

I remember that scene. I love Strong Poison. One of my favorite Wimseys.


Susan W. - Mar 03, 2005 4:18:18 pm PST #7119 of 10002
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Susan, check back -- I didn't say anything about you refusing flaws. You're not in the sentence about unflawed people at all. Just me. You're in the sentence about "how many flaws you're willing to accept," which was in no way meant to say "if you accept flaws or not."

Sorry. I took the "I don't need heroes to root for" as a slam against those of us who like our protagonists to some degree heroic.


§ ita § - Mar 03, 2005 4:20:58 pm PST #7120 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What I like or dislike is in no way meant to be a slam on people who disagree with me. I mean, your disinterest in the caper isn't a slam on people who love them, is it?


Susan W. - Mar 03, 2005 4:28:04 pm PST #7121 of 10002
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

I mean, your disinterest in the caper isn't a slam on people who love them, is it?

No, not at all. I tend to assume people who like what mystifies me or are mystified by what I like either have different fantasies (maybe capers are their escapism the way historical war stories are for me) or interact with stories in a different way (I've often talked about the lightbulb moment when I finally figured out that DH reads a book or watches a movie as an observer, while I'm looking for more of a participant/identification experience).

Again, I'm sorry. I'm really working on this chip on my shoulder thing WRT literary and musical tastes, but it still flares up every so often.


Jesse - Mar 03, 2005 4:28:16 pm PST #7122 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I took the "I don't need heroes to root for" as a slam against those of us who like our protagonists to some degree heroic.

Um, it just sounded like personal opinion to me. Luckily, we can fall back on my old favorite: Different People Are Different.

Edit: needless to say, that was a crosspost.


erikaj - Mar 03, 2005 4:50:14 pm PST #7123 of 10002
Always Anti-fascist!

OK, Godfather.(Except considering your favor, this is more James Brown than Vito Corleone. AndI guess Kay does get to ask somebody about his business.) I love a good funny antihero Susan. And maybe I have a few antisocial tendencies.(See tag.) The Leonard thing? Is a dialogue's Bitch thing. (It's so good...he's twice my age and I crush on him.)And most times, he does have some heroes...they're just not always on the side of the law you might think.