Right, there comes a point where you have to either move on, or just buy yourself a Klingon costume and go with it.

Xander ,'Same Time, Same Place'


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JoeCrow - Nov 22, 2004 6:08:59 pm PST #6416 of 10002
"what's left when you take biology and sociology out of the picture?" "An autistic hermaphodite." -Allyson

It's the one with Earth, and they describe London as 'nearly two millennia' old, so what does that make the time-frame, o people who know how old London is now?

So, they're set around nowish, then? Huh. Did not know that.

[link] sez Londonium was built by those danged Romans about 50 AD. So, almost 2 millennia ago. Yeah.


Consuela - Nov 22, 2004 8:53:32 pm PST #6417 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

So, they're set around nowish, then?

No. They are set many hundreds of years in the future, after humanity has expanded into the galaxy by way of travel through stable wormholes. Dozens of planets have been settled long enough for them to evolve widely divergent societies, some of which are in conflict with one another.

Barrayar, the planet of our hero, was settled by Russian, Greek, and possibly French persons, and then something happened with the wormhole and they were completely isolated from galactic society for a couple hundred years. They developed into a fierce, strong, but rather xenophobic people, very conservative and frightened of strangers. This was compounded by the radiation levels on Barrayar, which often resulted in dangerous mutations in children and livestock.

When the wormhole finally reopened, the Barrayarans had long since lost the ability to travel in space, and thus were unprepared for the Cetagandan invasion. They fought the Cetagandans in a desperate and bloody war for many years, and eventually drove them off, but not before taking ferocious damage, including the nuking of the historic seat of the Vorkosigan family. (Vorkosigan Surleau is the summer home, traditionally.)

In response to the Cetagandan invasion, Barrayar industrialized as quickly as possible, built an army, and went out to secure its defense. The planet of Komarr is at the other end of the wormhole from Barrayar, and the Komarrans had let the Cetagandans through. So Barrayaran forces, led by Admiral Aral Vorkosigan, took Komarr as both punishment and protection. That's the situation shortly before the beginning of Shards of Honor, which tells the story of the Escobaran-Barrayaran war, and the involvement of Beta Colony.


Calli - Nov 23, 2004 4:30:53 am PST #6418 of 10002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Very nice summary, Consuela!


§ ita § - Nov 28, 2004 10:52:01 am PST #6419 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Can someone give me a summary of the short story Apt Pupil by Stephen King? Mainly I'm interested in how it differs from the movie.


Connie Neil - Nov 28, 2004 12:09:37 pm PST #6420 of 10002
brillig

Young boy becomes fascinated with elderly German neighbor man. Kid is the snoopy sort and begins doing some research and discovers neighbor was a Nazi (don't remember if he was a camp guard or not). Kid confronts neighbor and threatens to expose him if he doesn't tell stories about the war. Stories lead to actions as the boy takes the old man for a role model in various things, and the old man is pleased to have someone to teach. I don't remember the ending, and I didn't see the movie because the story is pretty grim and disturbing.


§ ita § - Nov 28, 2004 12:15:25 pm PST #6421 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I read somewhere that the ending was copped out on for the movie -- the bits you describe are all pretty faithfully followed.

The ending was darker than I'd expected, but that's dark-for-movies, not dark-for-Stephen-King.

The Nazi is discovered, and now I'm suddenly blanking -- I think he's killed by the ex-internee in the hospital bed next to him. The guidance counsellor discovers the kid knew all along, but when he confronts him, the kid threatens to accuse him of pedophilia, and so gets away with it all.


Lilty Cash - Nov 28, 2004 12:16:58 pm PST #6422 of 10002
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

The ending was pretty different, ita. I think the movie glosses it over a bit, while the story ends with the boy on an overpass picking people off with a sniper rifle, if I remember right.

Also, in the book I think he kills the guidance counselor.


Connie Neil - Nov 28, 2004 12:17:53 pm PST #6423 of 10002
brillig

That sounds about right for the kid's mentality--he knows the system and uses it ruthlessly. If I'm remembering hte story correctly, I think there are some murders and some unpleasant sex (the boy has the hots for a Jewish girl, and he asks Neighbor some nasty questions about Jews).


§ ita § - Nov 28, 2004 12:18:33 pm PST #6424 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Whoo! Okay, yeah, that's way darker than the movie got.


Lilty Cash - Nov 28, 2004 12:23:50 pm PST #6425 of 10002
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

Yep. I remember I'd read the story first, then saw the movie. That ending was chipper in comparison.

I love Different Seasons. The only story from it that hasn't been made into a movie is really gruesome, but its another one you'll remember.