Flames wouldn't be eternal if they actually consumed anything.

Lilah ,'Not Fade Away'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Dani - Nov 05, 2004 3:07:50 pm PST #6278 of 10002
I believe vampires are the world's greatest golfers

ita, one book I've heard a lot about is As Nature Made Him. It's a very sad story, not least of all b/c the subject of the bio recently killed himself.

[ETA but I just realized it's not what you're looking for, since David Reimer was born with unambigous male genitalia that were damaged during circumcision.]


§ ita § - Nov 05, 2004 3:10:08 pm PST #6279 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Thanks Nutty and Dani.

The surreal thing about Middlesex was that there was no gender dysmorphia at all -- just a change in clothes, hair and walking, switch up some language, but he wasn't a girly boy or a boyish girl. Okay, maybe not the surreal thing, but one that made me wonder about the reality of it all.


§ ita § - Nov 05, 2004 3:11:24 pm PST #6280 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Actually, Dani, that is precisely what I'm interested in -- what makes a boy feel like a boy, and a girl like a girl. How did he know he was wrong?

I think I've seen a TV show on that case, and had forgotten the name of the book.


Angus G - Nov 05, 2004 7:19:09 pm PST #6281 of 10002
Roguish Laird

ita, I'd recommend Anne Fausto-Sterling's Sexing the Body as an introduction to both the biological and the psychic/cultural sides of this whole area; the author is trained in both biology and (iirc) sociology, so she's one of the rare people who's able to talk across the usual disciplinary boundaries.


Jesse - Nov 06, 2004 4:33:51 pm PST #6282 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

ita, have you read Trans-sister Radio? I can't remember if I got it from you or Kat (?).


Megan E. - Nov 08, 2004 8:54:53 am PST #6283 of 10002

I finished reading The Time Traveller's Wife yesterday and I was a mess of tears by the end. I agree with a former poster that it is probably a book with massive b.org appeal.


Wolfram - Nov 08, 2004 9:53:24 am PST #6284 of 10002
Visilurking

So put in on the rec list for book club, Megan.


Megan E. - Nov 08, 2004 12:46:22 pm PST #6285 of 10002

I would if I thought I'd have time to participate in the book club thread but I've been working 60 hour weeks with no end in sight. It would make for a good discussion though.


Wolfram - Nov 08, 2004 4:02:51 pm PST #6286 of 10002
Visilurking

No need for a commitment Megan. If you think we'd enjoy it just throw it on the list. And that way if it's picked, you don't have to read it to pop in and post about it during discussion.

t /shameless shilling


Connie Neil - Nov 08, 2004 5:55:42 pm PST #6287 of 10002
brillig

Something a little different, a request to help me identify a poem I remember from high school. I just tried to Google the last line but came up empty.

The poem tells the tale of a young woman's whose lover convinces her to join him in a suicide pact and they'll meet in hell and love forever. Of course, she believes him and he goes on to marry a rich girl. The girl tells the devil that she is in hell under false pretenses and begins walking across the firey plain towards heaven, and all the damned stop to watch her go. There's something about daffodils or something springing up around her feet, and I *thought* the last line was "And Hell raised a ragged cheer," but that brought me no joy. Oh, and the resolution not to use the phrase "ragged cheer" anywhere in my writing.

It's not world-shattering poetry, but I'd like to find it again.