I want to torture you. I used to love it, and it's been a long time. I mean, the last time I tortured someone, they didn't even have chainsaws.

Angel ,'Chosen'


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Nutty - Jul 30, 2004 5:35:15 am PDT #5437 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I tend to agree with ita that Hagrid is dependent in a way different from the Samwise/servant mold, and it's in his naive mistakes (and the way people rescue him from same) that it shows.

I don't think it's really a Magical Negro type of thing, either, because Hagrid doesn't have a moral lesson to impart per se.

I guess he is sort of like an extremely incompetent Uncle Buck? We're supposed to love him but not respect him -- of all the adults, he has the most emotional relationship with the children, and I think that's because the children see him as equal (or even lesser).


§ ita § - Jul 30, 2004 6:37:10 am PDT #5438 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Who's Uncle Buck?

the children see him as equal (or even lesser).

I agree.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 30, 2004 7:21:16 am PDT #5439 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I'm guessing you meant to post that somewhere else...

Oops, sorry. I was sure I was posting to the Angel thread last night. In fact, this thread isn't even among my subscriptions, so I'm not quite sure how I managed the mistake.

I hope my work computer doesn't get a crush on me or start telling co-workers to electrocute me in the bathroom.


Nutty - Jul 30, 2004 7:25:13 am PDT #5440 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Who's Uncle Buck?

Wossname, John Candy. Big goofy uncle to a brood of children, does things like make grilled cheese sandwiches using a clothes iron and generally allows children to run riot due to genial cluelessness and slovenliness. The movie came out, when? middle 80s. And IIRC was Macauley Culkin's debut.


sumi - Jul 30, 2004 7:27:24 am PDT #5441 of 10002
Art Crawl!!!

Uncle Buck was the main character in an eponymous film starring John Candy, which I have never seen.


§ ita § - Jul 30, 2004 7:29:36 am PDT #5442 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Oh, that sounds gross.

Though I've now recast HP with Candy as Hagrid. It's interesting.


JohnSweden - Jul 30, 2004 7:45:52 am PDT #5443 of 10002
I can't even.

Who's Uncle Buck?

(1989)

"You've got a lot of hair in your nose."

"Thanks for noticing."

"That's my job, I'm a kid."

Worthless loser uncle connects with disaffected niece in dysfunctional family. Candy was great and elevated the movie out of mediocre for me.

He was in that rich run of form that lasted until his untimely death. Planes, trains and automobiles (1987) is probably my favourite Candy movie.


Steph L. - Jul 30, 2004 8:32:40 am PDT #5444 of 10002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

make grilled cheese sandwiches using a clothes iron

This actually works, as long as you wrap the sandwich in aluminum foil first. I have done it my own self and can attest to its efficacy AND yumminess.


Jessica - Jul 30, 2004 8:34:29 am PDT #5445 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

This actually works, as long as you wrap the sandwich in aluminum foil first.

When I was temping at MSO, this method was being used by one of the Christmas party caterers to make chocolate sandwiches. So it's good enough for Martha Stewart, anyway.


Betsy HP - Jul 30, 2004 8:40:11 am PDT #5446 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

Sam was Frodo's gardener because Gaffer Gamgee was Bilbo's gardener--Gamgees pretty much come with the property.

Sam's a house-elf!