River: You're not right, Early. You're not righteous. You've got issues. Early: No. Oh, yes, I could have that. You might have me figured out, then. Good job. I'm not 100%.

'Objects In Space'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Steph L. - Jul 11, 2004 11:00:29 am PDT #4969 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Oh, wait! (I'm amused at the things I underlined when I read it more than half my life ago.) *This* passage is why I thought the Cathy -n- Heathcliff relationship was What Every Girl Wants:

"It would degrade me to marry Heathcliff, now; so he shall never know how I love him; and that, not because he's handsome, Nelly, but because he's more myself than I am. Whatever our souls are made of, his and mine are the same, and Linton's is as different as a moonbeam from lightning, or frost from fire."

Huh. That actually still sounds kind of good. But in the larger context of the novel, a little too obsessive-freaky.


erikaj - Jul 11, 2004 11:02:01 am PDT #4970 of 10002
Always Anti-fascist!

Wrod, on both counts.


Typo Boy - Jul 11, 2004 11:04:52 am PDT #4971 of 10002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I have to admit when I last read Wuthering Heights (at 12) I thought both Cathy and Heathcliffe were nutjobs.

And zombies definitely would definitely have added something.


Steph L. - Jul 11, 2004 11:10:47 am PDT #4972 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

And a further part of the conversation from which the above quote was taken:

"....my great thought in living is himself. If all else perished, and he remained, I should still continue to be; and if all else remained, and he were annihilated, the universe would turn to a mighty stranger. I should not seem a part of it. My love for Linton is like the foliage in the woods. Time will change it, I'm well aware, as winter changes the trees. My love for Heathcliff resembles the eternal rocks beneath -- a source of little visible delight, but necessary. Nelly, I am Heathcliff -- he's always, always in my mind -- not as a pleasure, any more than I am always a pleasure to myself -- but as my own being -- so, don't talk of our separation again...."

As an older, wiser Steph than the one who underlined those words, what I think it is, is that it takes romantic love a shade too far. "My love for Heathcliff resembles the eternal rocks beneath -- a source of little visible delight, but necessary," is nice, and makes me want that kind of love. But "Nelly, I am Heathcliff," is just too, too obsessive and dysfunctional.


Connie Neil - Jul 11, 2004 11:14:24 am PDT #4973 of 10002
brillig

Yeah, I'm with Cathy up until the self-identification part. I can relate to a love the permeates everything, but the rest of it strikes me as the sort of ecstatic thing you run into with religious folk.


Pix - Jul 11, 2004 11:33:24 am PDT #4974 of 10002
The status is NOT quo.

Because I've nearly finished a book? Because I like zombies? Because I'm up at the bright and shiny hour of ten in the morning? I don't see where this is coming from, blondie.

Because I see you post in the middle of the night, the day, the morning, you seem to be in the lab all the time, and yet somehow you manage to watch whole seasons of shows (Dead Like Me, ME's etc) AND read.

I rest my case.

t she says, tossing her blonde hair

t /giving you a hard time

t not really here


Maysa - Jul 11, 2004 12:36:58 pm PDT #4975 of 10002

Isn't there a fucking ghost in this book? There are only forty pages left.

Cathy in the beginning haunts that lame-ass tenant narrator. One of the best (and most disturbing) scenes ever written.

I think why that book is so brilliant is that you can interpret it in a thousand different ways. It's told third-hand by people who really don't get Cathy and Heathcliff at all. (The narrator is the complete opposite of them, he lets all of his relationships end before they begin) Since nobody who's telling the story really gets C or H, on some pages you sympathize with them and on some pages they're just these ultimate bastards.

I see the book as more of a story about people trying break out of confining roles and failing spectacularly. That moment when Cathy's dieing and she says that she feels like some one took her little girl self who was free and wild and transformed her all at once into this "normal" civilized woman--that's the moment when I relate to Cathy. There's a similar one later when Heathcliff describes how the past 20 years of his life he's spent searching for Cathy's spirit. When he's in the house, she's outside. When he's outside, she's inside. It's mostly their own fault, but it is horrible how again and again everyone and everything denies them peace or comfort.


Nutty - Jul 11, 2004 1:01:13 pm PDT #4976 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

My heights don't particularly wuther. Why is that? I suppose I should be grateful I do not live on a moor in a time before electricity, especially if there were no Secret Garden Dickons around to keep one sane.

For the life of me, I can't remember a single thing about deconstruction that I learned in college, except that it didn't get an "ism" at the end because "it wasn't a philosophy".


Dana - Jul 11, 2004 2:58:05 pm PDT #4977 of 10002
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Dead puppies aren't much fun.


Betsy HP - Jul 11, 2004 3:06:51 pm PDT #4978 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

Cathy in the beginning haunts that lame-ass tenant narrator. One of the best (and most disturbing) scenes ever written.

But then you read the last line: "I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."

I.e. "There are no ghosts, reader! Sucker! Ha-ha!"

I like that.