Angel: Connor, this is Spike and Illyria. Guys, this is Connor. Connor: Hi. umm...I like your outfit. Illyria: Your body warms. This one is lusting after me. Connor: Oh...no, I--I--it's just that it's the outfit. I guess I've had a thing for older women. Angel: They were supposed to fix that.

'Origin'


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Nicole - Dec 03, 2003 11:31:47 am PST #48 of 10002
I'm getting the pig!

And I'd really like some old kinky Wonder Woman comics -- like from the 1940s.

They are collected in hardbound form and in print. Also, they were reprinted in the back of DC annuals in the 70s.

Didn't they "reprint" recently? Like, last year or so?


Steph L. - Dec 03, 2003 11:35:07 am PST #49 of 10002
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

DC Comics' website has a video interview with Neil Gaiman.


Dani - Dec 03, 2003 11:39:56 am PST #50 of 10002
I believe vampires are the world's greatest golfers

I love the Barchester novels best, esp. the early ones in which Mrs. Proudie is still wreaking havoc. I've read the Palliser novels but none of them really stuck with me. That said, Trollope is still my favourite Victorian author for entertainment reading - he wins out over everything Dickens and all of Eliot except Middlemarch.

Nutty, I found the abstract for that JAMA study on PubMed. I don't think you can link directly to search results so here it is:

Dating violence against adolescent girls and associated substance use, unhealthy weight control, sexual risk behavior, pregnancy, and suicidality.
Silverman JG, Raj A, Mucci LA, Hathaway JE.
JAMA. 2001 Aug 1;286(5):572-9.

CONTEXT: Intimate partner violence against women is a major public health concern. Research among adults has shown that younger age is a consistent risk factor for experiencing and perpetrating intimate partner violence. However, no representative epidemiologic studies of lifetime prevalence of dating violence among adolescents have been conducted. OBJECTIVE: To assess lifetime prevalence of physical and sexual violence from dating partners among adolescent girls and associations of these forms of violence with specific health risks. DESIGN, SETTING, AND PARTICIPANTS: Female 9th through 12th-grade students who participated in the 1997 and 1999 Massachusetts Youth Risk Behavior Surveys (n = 1977 and 2186, respectively). MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Lifetime prevalence rates of physical and sexual dating violence and whether such violence is independently associated with substance use, unhealthy weight control, sexual risk behavior, pregnancy, and suicidality. RESULTS: Approximately 1 in 5 female students (20.2% in 1997 and 18.0% in 1999) reported being physically and/or sexually abused by a dating partner. After controlling for the effects of potentially confounding demographics and risk behaviors, data from both surveys indicate that physical and sexual dating violence against adolescent girls is associated with increased risk of substance use (eg, cocaine use for 1997, odds ratio [OR], 4.7; 95% confidence interval [CI], 2.3-9.6; for 1999, OR, 3.4; 95% CI, 1.7-6.7), unhealthy weight control behaviors (eg, use of laxatives and/or vomiting [for 1997, OR, 3.2; 95% CI, 1.8-5.5; for 1999, OR, 3.7; 95% CI, 2.2-6.5]), sexual risk behaviors (eg, first intercourse before age 15 years [for 1997, OR, 8.2; 95% CI, 5.1-13.4; for 1999, OR, 2.4; 95% CI, 1.4-4.2]), pregnancy (for 1997, OR, 6.3; 95% CI, 3.4-11.7; for 1999, OR, 3.9; 95% CI, 1.9-7.8), and suicidality (eg, attempted suicide [for 1997, OR, 7.6; 95% CI, 4.7-12.3; for 1999, OR, 8.6; 95% CI, 5.2-14.4]). CONCLUSION: Dating violence is extremely prevalent among this population, and adolescent girls who report a history of experiencing dating violence are more likely to exhibit other serious health risk behaviors.


Nicole - Dec 03, 2003 11:40:09 am PST #51 of 10002
I'm getting the pig!

Searched ebay and answered my own question. Exact reproductions were released in 2000.

Nebbermind.


Betsy HP - Dec 03, 2003 11:42:03 am PST #52 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

I am the anti!Dani. For years I resisted reading Trollope because I found the Barchester novels so dull. Then a friend said "Try The Eustace Diamonds. It's all about Sin In High Life." I did, and I was hooked.

Trollope understands women and outsiders deeply. And he explains them to you. It is fascinating to listen to him explain what a mortal insult it is to accuse a man of lying, and precisely how close you can get to that line without saying something unforgivable.


Dani - Dec 03, 2003 11:46:34 am PST #53 of 10002
I believe vampires are the world's greatest golfers

And Betsy makes a liar out of me by reminding me that I did enjoy The Eustace Diamonds, mostly because of Lady Eustace.

Also, I wore cutoffs over tights with cowboy boots (?!&$!) in university. The only excuses I can offer are that it was the late 80's, and I lived in a cold climate. It was apparently very important to us to extend the shorts-wearing season.


Betsy HP - Dec 03, 2003 11:49:55 am PST #54 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

Lady Eustace is a fine, fine character.

Hey, I wore legwarmers with skirts in the '80s. If you'd been in Hanover, New Hampshire going to a job interview in midwinter, so would you.


DavidS - Dec 03, 2003 11:52:05 am PST #55 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I'm presuming Teppy found it, but for folks looking for a direct link to vintage Wonder Woman (in all her kinky bondage glory): Wonder Woman Archives starts here with vol. 1.


Steph L. - Dec 03, 2003 11:55:45 am PST #56 of 10002
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

I'm presuming Teppy found it

You betcha. But then the price made me quail. I'm hoping for a Christmas bonus at work, because nothing would make me happier than to spend money from the fundies on buying kink.


deborah grabien - Dec 03, 2003 12:00:30 pm PST #57 of 10002
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Eleanor Butler

See, I knew about the "Betsy Bell and Mary Grey" song version, but that was a much earlier couple, who both died of plague.

But Lady Eleanor Butler - what comes up in my admittedly creaky memory is the name of woman who was the subject of Titulus Regis - the document that made the Two Princes in the Tower illegitimate, because it turned out their hornytoad hounddog daddy had gone through a ceremony of marriage with one Lady Eleanor Butler, who was then shoved in a convent so he could marry someone else.

Another famous Eleanor Butler. How cool is that?