Mal: There's plenty orders of mine that she didn't obey. Wash: Name one! Mal: She married you!

'War Stories'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Steph L. - Jul 08, 2004 7:43:35 am PDT #4787 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Betsy, I saw that book at Barnes & Noble over the weekend -- LKH's name is writ large on the cover, so I was compelled to at least see if it was Anita Blake or Merry Gentry.

When I read the description, I put the book down and backed away, giggling.


Daisy Jane - Jul 08, 2004 7:52:24 am PDT #4788 of 10002
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

So is it fic if the original author is ficcing her own series?


Nutty - Jul 08, 2004 7:53:26 am PDT #4789 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I think the other reason plays don't come over, pursuant to what Juliana is saying, is that if they're not performed, they're very hard to put across in a non-performance context. I've read plays in English that were originally, say, Swahili, and although the translation was expert, I didn't have the slightest clue what was going on in the play, because stage directions just aren't enough to put across subtext without a body interpreting them. The whole class came in the next day after reading it and was like, "What the hell happened, and why?"

Therefore, in my own crackpot theorizing, I think that novels are much more likely to be successful in translation than [unperformed] plays.


Micole - Jul 08, 2004 7:56:56 am PDT #4790 of 10002
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.

I like Racine, but I read him in French for a class, and I can see how the best parts of the language wouldn't translate: it was very like Alexander Pope, all these perfect couplets that snap tight on sound and meaning.

I don't know why the plots and themes wouldn't, though; I mean, Phédre is Phaedra is 2,000 years old and counting.

I wonder if attempting to reread those plays in French would work as more than an exercise in masochism proving yes, my brain cells have deteroriated.


Polter-Cow - Jul 08, 2004 7:59:41 am PDT #4791 of 10002
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Well, he's twentieth-century and it's not original, but Rice did Jean Anouilh's version of Antigone a couple years ago. It was pretty amazing.


Nutty - Jul 08, 2004 8:04:48 am PDT #4792 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Oh yes! I saw that too -- my highschool did it, and it was awesome. Actually, I think it is the only French play I have seen (in translation). Notably, it was in very modern prose, instead of rhymed couplets as I presume is the case with Racine.

Certainly, French films are popular in the US (or anyway, exported to the US more than films in any other European language). So I imagine that if there were a recent film of a Racine play, then the chances of someone teaching Racine in a class would go up. Especially if everyone drops trou, as seems always to happen in French films about the Renaissance (for that matter, any historical period).


Dana - Jul 08, 2004 8:05:39 am PDT #4793 of 10002
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

What about Sartre? No Exit is a play, isn't it?

t suddenly doubting own brain


Betsy HP - Jul 08, 2004 8:07:18 am PDT #4794 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

t takes the doubt away from Dana's brain and applies it to self


Polter-Cow - Jul 08, 2004 8:07:36 am PDT #4795 of 10002
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

What about Sartre? No Exit is a play, isn't it?

Yep. Rice did that too, though I didn't see it.


Connie Neil - Jul 08, 2004 8:08:13 am PDT #4796 of 10002
brillig

Well, at least LKH has finally accepted where her true market/leanings/interests lay. "None of that silly plot, now, just write sex."