Yes. Men like sports. Men watch the action movie, they eat of the beef, and enjoy to look at the bosoms. A thousand years of avenging our wrongs and that's all you've learned?

Xander ,'End of Days'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Fred Pete - Jul 02, 2004 6:59:12 am PDT #4170 of 10002
Ann, that's a ferret.

So, to take that back to the discussion of canon, what makes it okay to say "No thanks, I don't like fantasy" and not okay to say "No thanks, I don't like whaling?" Why is one percieved as an expression of individual taste and the other percieved as a hostile attack on intellectualism?

Jessica, I wouldn't quarrel with anyone who didn't read MD for that reason. Life is too short to read everything, and everyone has to have criteria for what they will and won't read. But the non-fan of whaling shouldn't look down the nose at someone who loved MD.

Nutty, I read the unabridged CMC just last year. Wonderful, sprawling story of the type I'm a sucker for. And much of it is extremely vivid. But I can't remember the ending for the life of me.


Polter-Cow - Jul 02, 2004 6:59:34 am PDT #4171 of 10002
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I like that one too. The language is beautiful.

Huh. I don't recall the language; I'll take a look at my copy when I get home. But if we're talking beautiful language, I go with Lolita. Which does get a bit weird in the last hundred pages, but man. Oh, the last paragraph nearly made me cry.


Lilty Cash - Jul 02, 2004 6:59:34 am PDT #4172 of 10002
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

I like that one too. The language is beautiful

Yes. It's so serene and wistful.


Kate P. - Jul 02, 2004 6:59:43 am PDT #4173 of 10002
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Ooh, I'm reading The Count of Monte Cristo right now and enjoying it immensely. Debating over reading Nutty's whitefont, but I think I'll come back to it once I've finished the book.


brenda m - Jul 02, 2004 7:00:12 am PDT #4174 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Okay, Monte Cristo. Whitefont for the innocent:

Damn. Now I want a sandwich.


Connie Neil - Jul 02, 2004 7:00:19 am PDT #4175 of 10002
brillig

Oh, gosh, we've got to whitefont?


Kate P. - Jul 02, 2004 7:01:53 am PDT #4176 of 10002
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

connie, for my part, I don't much care if you do, as it's not hard for me to skip on by (and I may be the only one currently reading it).


Jessica - Jul 02, 2004 7:02:52 am PDT #4177 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

But the non-fan of whaling shouldn't look down the nose at someone who loved MD.

Has that happened here, though? It seemed to me to be mostly the other way around.

(I was directing these questions/comments at the whole thread, BTW, not trying to pick on Fred Pete. I'm genuinely curious.)


Connie Neil - Jul 02, 2004 7:03:31 am PDT #4178 of 10002
brillig

The unabridged Count, to my mind, is the only way to go. M. Nortier, that conniving revolutionary, gets short shrift in the abridgements, and he's my favorite character. All my commentary is based on the unabridged.

t trying to be obscure Yes, the Count does shift a great deal in the two halfs. I don't think any of the second half is even in his POV, he exists mostly as a Deux Ex Machina with a nasty, bitter streak. I've tried to re-read it many a time, but I always bog down in the second half, to my shame. I find myself skipping to the parts about the Next Generation.


Nutty - Jul 02, 2004 7:05:41 am PDT #4179 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

The end of Monte Cristo, for thems as forgot:

Morcerf kills himself, and Mercedes retires to Marseilles to live as an unhappy widow. Albert joins the army. The prosecutor whose name I spaced realizes his wife is a murderer (faked death of Mlle. Wossname here), and "encourages" her to kill herself so he won't suffer the shame of arresting her. She kills herself, and her little boy, and Prosecutor Guy goes mad. Danglars flees to Rome with the last of his $$, and Luigi Vampa the gangster kidnaps him and makes him pay like 500 fr. a day for bread, till there is no money left, and then lets him go. (All at the Count's instigation.)

Then, Count finally reveals to a suicidal Young Morrel that Mlle. Wossname is not actually dead; that he and paralyzed Grandfather Noirtier conspired to fake it in order to out the mother as a murderer, and wow now that we have rendered Mlle. Wossname totally void if identity, how about you all run off happily into the sunset! Also, Count + Haydee the Persian child/slave/ward, which is a development that comes in on page 1100, is completed at page 1400, and feels like the author suddenly changed his mind and couldn't bear to leave the Count without some nooky at the end. And ICKY.