No, no, no, sir. No more chick pit for you. Come on.

Riley ,'Lessons'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Polter-Cow - Jul 01, 2004 2:26:16 pm PDT #4003 of 10002
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I'd like to point out that there is a calm, thoughtful, and--dare I say it?--intellectual discussion on the merits and pitfalls of identification with literature going on right now.


erikaj - Jul 01, 2004 2:26:39 pm PDT #4004 of 10002
Always Anti-fascist!

I would probably do that.I've no idea what sort of book, though.


Steph L. - Jul 01, 2004 2:26:42 pm PDT #4005 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Typically, the response I get when I mention Moby-Dick is identical to one of the responses on this board: "Oh, I tried to read that in high school, but it was soooo boring. What's the point?"

Anti-intellectualism = the denying of the validity or marginalization of intellectual pursuits. Like reading and critical thought.

Finding one book boring isn't anti-intellectualism. Finding ALL books boring is.

Just because I don't like one specific book that's considered by many to be part of the canon doesn't make me anti-intellectualism. Or anti-reading.

In fact, saying that about me is pretty damned funny. Because I read all day long. More than just pharmacy articles.


Polter-Cow - Jul 01, 2004 2:27:47 pm PDT #4006 of 10002
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Because I read all day long. More than just pharmacy articles.

Yes. There are also Bat-comics!


Betsy HP - Jul 01, 2004 2:28:27 pm PDT #4007 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

"I didn't like this particular intellectual book, and here's why," is not, and it seems to me that I've been seeing much more of that here than actual anti-intellectualism.

Hil says what I was struggling to find words for.

There is a difference between "I didn't enjoy <famous book here>" and "High-brow books aren't worth the time."

I am a high-brow. I read high-brow books. There are quite a few books in the canon I didn't enjoy. Doesn't make them less great necessarily; doesn't make me less great, either. It's a book. It cannot speak to all people at all times.


Steph L. - Jul 01, 2004 2:28:52 pm PDT #4008 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Yes. There are also Bat-comics!

Damn straight.


DavidS - Jul 01, 2004 2:32:35 pm PDT #4009 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Finding one book boring isn't anti-intellectualism. Finding ALL books boring is.

Yeah, but you did specifically argue that life's too short to read books that don't slide readily into your soul. And others said essentially the same thing. Critical reading presumes you need to read stuff that requires work, because the more complex and demanding books will be (as Typo put it) outside your weight class. You're not going to stretch unless you push yourself.


Hayden - Jul 01, 2004 2:35:18 pm PDT #4010 of 10002
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

What got my dander up is the fact that I never said I thought it was difficulty or that gave up on it. I read the whole thing, which is why I feel qualified to express my opinion in answer to your "What's not to love?"

Steph, I wasn't responding to you in particular, or anyone in particular when I posted my original post. However, sure, you're qualified to respond to the question. What's not to love?

Deb, you can have your visceral love of the book. I'm not negating your internal take on things. To tell you the truth, I'm not sure why you think that my position negates yours.

"I didn't like this particular intellectual book, and here's why," is not, and it seems to me that I've been seeing much more of that here than actual anti-intellectualism.

Maybe so, but the implication of "I hate this particular literary book" combined with the argument that canon is useless or malevalent certainly meets your definition of anti-intellectualism.


Betsy HP - Jul 01, 2004 2:36:16 pm PDT #4011 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

the argument that canon is useless or malevolent

I made no such argument.


Ginger - Jul 01, 2004 2:36:26 pm PDT #4012 of 10002
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I like the idea of a "book club" or some sort of "all Buffistas reading one book" concept. Rather than focusing on the Western canon or the form of literary fiction that I've come to think of as "book club fiction," we could choose books that are championed by various Buffistas. For example, Susan could pick her favorite historical romance novel and help us understand what how the novel shows the main characterics of the genre and how it deviates. Of course, that would mean that I would try to convince you all to read The Education of Henry Adams.