Gabriel: Are you trying to destroy this family? Simon: I didn't realize it would be so easy.

'Safe'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Jesse - Jun 09, 2004 4:04:31 am PDT #3188 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

It's goofy as hell, sweet and cute. With sex.

Jesse, I have that other book, too, but I think I dropped it about twenty pages in. Definitely won't pick it back up again now.

Probably a good call. I found myself unreasonably annoyed by the most jackass things -- at one point there's a reproduction of an article found in a Nexis search, and the word count in the header is way too short.


Consuela - Jun 09, 2004 8:17:03 am PDT #3189 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

So I just finished The Steerswoman's Road, which is an omnibus edition of The Steerswoman and The Outskirter's Secret, by Rosemary Kirstein. It was marvelous. I couldn't put it down. I loved the writing, the world she built, the characters, and the plot.

Oh, the plot! So cool and sneaky and I figured out a bunch of it but not the last twist, which made perfect sense given what she'd set up.

In some ways this series reminds me of The Book of Ash by Mary Gentle, which also (spoilers for both) presents as a fantasy and turns out to be science fiction. Good stuff.

Now I need to find the 3rd one, and I bet I won't before I come back from my vacation. t pouts

So great to have something meaty and fun and smart to read.


Nutty - Jun 09, 2004 8:21:11 am PDT #3190 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Suela, I enjoyed Kirstein too. Although I was kind of annoyed at finding out it's not a self-contained series, but an ongoing one. It's one of those things where, having glimpsed the denouement, I'm plenty ready to see it now, and am impatient with all the stuff that happens in-between.

Is that a crappy attitude to pull? It's about half "skip to the end!" and half worry that the author will get mired in her own ideas and never make it to the end at all.


Consuela - Jun 09, 2004 8:22:18 am PDT #3191 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Yeah. And I just read the Amazon reviews of the next one, and discovered that that's not the end either. Feh.

Want more! Now! grrr.

Nutty, have you read Mary Gentle?


Connie Neil - Jun 09, 2004 8:23:22 am PDT #3192 of 10002
brillig

Mary Gentle's "Grunts" is funny and crude and cool. I haven't read anything else of hers, though. Is it funny as well?


Nutty - Jun 09, 2004 8:26:54 am PDT #3193 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

No, I haven't. More to add to the list.

Micole informed me that #4 in the Steerswoman books is coming out in the fall, and that's not the end either. Current word is, planning for 7.

This is the point at which I worry.

General world-building series, I give a pass, because they're not specifically plotted-toward-a-climax, but Kirstein is very much plotted that way. Tad Williams suffers from story-bloat as he gets into the middle/ends of his series, too, but thus far I think he's kept it down to 3-4 volumes in each of his series. Like, the most immense volumes you will ever see, as wide as the American Heritage Dictionary, but only 3-4 of them.


Consuela - Jun 09, 2004 8:32:20 am PDT #3194 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Seven? Oh, that's not good. Damn.

Connie, the Ash novels are... um. How to describe them? Genre-bending mind-fuckery. Densely plotted. Gritty and brutal and smart. Guaranteed to upend your assumptions and make you go, "holy shit!" at least a couple of times.

Brutal, though. Lots of battles, lots of deaths. Creative as hell.

I think they're brilliant, but they're not for everyone.


Connie Neil - Jun 09, 2004 8:42:21 am PDT #3195 of 10002
brillig

I can deal with brutal. After all, "Grunts" has the immortal line: "Sergeant, pass me another elf. This one's split."


Consuela - Jun 09, 2004 8:44:42 am PDT #3196 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I should read Grunts at some point. I've had mixed success with her baroque stuff, although I recall enjoying Golden Witchbreed and Ancient Light. Or, well, thinking they were good, anyway, which is different than enjoying.


deborah grabien - Jun 09, 2004 8:50:17 am PDT #3197 of 10002
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Tad Williams suffers from story-bloat as he gets into the middle/ends of his series, too, but thus far I think he's kept it down to 3-4 volumes in each of his series. Like, the most immense volumes you will ever see, as wide as the American Heritage Dictionary, but only 3-4 of them.

(giggling like a Romper Room participant, over here.)

Some day I will tell the story of of the Jamaican guy in the London bookstore, and the message he asked me to deliver to Tad. It used the phrase "excess baggage charges" somewhere in the middle.

And TGAT (To Green Angel Tower) had to be split into two volumes, because the damned bindings cracked because of the thickness.

I love Tad very deeply, but I'm with you on the bloat question. Then again, to be fair, I'm not usually a fan of epics.