What did you think about the ending - was it only a dream?
No, because the whole point of the electroshock is to cure Dorothy of her continuing delusions about Oz. The movie is largely a redress to the other movie ending, by saying, Dorothy's not messed up, she's just a plucky girl that went to a weird world.
And the one with the witch changing her heads, and all the heads screaming at night when Dorothy tries to steal something from where the witch keeps them.
Creepy scene, huh? And straight from the book. Of course, one of the books the movie draws from is the story of Tip, a boy who is in reality the disguised empress of Oz, Ozma. So it has a big ol' gender change reveal at the end which Disney was never going to touch. Actually I think they did a great job of combining the two books into one. Harlan Ellison is a big fan of this movie, too. It's something we talked about when I had lunch at his house. He's a huge Oz fan.
Well, yes.
Ah, okay. That wasn't necessarily a criticism; I've actually never read any Sayers. (It's funny the things you pick up from being around fandom. Sayers and the names of the Queer Eye hosts.)
Also suggesting John Crowley's Little, Big
yesyesyesyesyesyes. Micole, did you know that the SF Chronicle review excerpt on the cover of Aegypt was mine? I worship that man as a writer.
Oh, the endings of Gaudy Night and Busman's Honeymoon.
Loved the ending (and book) of Gaudy Night. Busman's Honeymoon I loathed, ending and all. That one gave me your Joyce-induced hives, I think.
Is that the one that requires Latin and an understanding of Oxford protocol?
I'd just like to say that it is because of reading Buffista discussion about this particular scene that I understood the ending of
To Say Nothing of the Dog.
So thanks!
(It's funny the things you pick up from being around fandom. Sayers and the names of the Queer Eye hosts.)
Plot developments on Oz. (Oddly enough, not the one Hec and Nilly are discussing.)
I was the only person in my family that liked the movie "Return to Oz". Were it not for my mom being a sick puppy fairly often, I would think I was found on a Buffista Island cabbage patch.
I'd just like to say that it is because of reading Buffista discussion about this particular scene that I understood the ending of To Say Nothing of the Dog. So thanks!
Oh, did we have that conversation here? I thought I'd read it somewhere else.
(You know, we should make up a list. "Conversation #46: The Ending of Gaudy Night. Conversation #47: Billy: Closer To The Earth? Seriously?)
Yes to
Little, Big
and
The Haunting of Hill House.
Other perfect endings for me:
Coraline
by Neil Gaiman,
War for the Oaks
by Emma Bull, and
Something Wicked This Way Comes
by Ray Bradbury.
Dorothy's not messed up, she's just a plucky girl that went to a weird world.
Yes, exactly. Well, next time a sibling puts this tape into the VCR and we discuss it again (yeah, we're like that - there's a line in the movie when they spell a moose-head to come to life, and the head repeats the ending of the last word of the spell, it says "Piag?" - it's one of the most quoted lines among us. But I both embarrass myself and degress) - I'll be able to tell them that a stranger from the internet supports my point of view.
And straight from the book.
The only book that was translated into Hebrew (and therefore is available here in English as well) is the first one. It's only thanks to this movie (and, oddly enough, an animated TV show that my bab-ysister adored when she was little) that I knew there were more Oz books.
Harlan Ellison is a big fan of this movie, too.
Cool.
I Capture The Castle has a perfect ending.
