River: I know you have questions. Mal: That would be why I just asked them.

'Objects In Space'


Boxed Set, Vol. 1: Smallville, Due South, Farscape  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much anything else that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.


Frankenbuddha - Feb 25, 2004 6:11:37 am PST #3875 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Everything I've seen about Crisis on Infinite Earths says that they managed to piss off dedicated comics readers

They killed off Black Canary in that fiasco, didn't they? Of course, they've probably brought her back some other way since.


victor infante - Feb 25, 2004 6:20:36 am PST #3876 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Me, I liked it. It was very emotional. But they didn't nuke anything I was attached to.

Same here. I'm actually rather fond of it, and I like the result of a world where Superman and Batman are actually a later generation of heroes, and the JSA fought in WWII. It's had its headaches, but a lot of it has been fun.

Wait -- when did they redo Donna Troy's origin? That did bother me.

That was later. In the reboot, Wonder Woman didn't arrive from Paradise Island until much later--in fact, after the crisis. Diana's mother was the Wonder Woman of WWII (although that's VERY recent) and Donna Troy's origin was rewritten 73 times, and all that's certain is that she's A.) A magical twin of Wonder Woman, who was stolen away early; B.) Debuted publically considerably BEFORE Wonder Woman, and C.) Is now dead.

They killed off Black Canary in that fiasco, didn't they?

Not at all. They killed Supergirl, and the one around now is a different one (although I'm not following it) and Black Canary was retconned into Wonder Woman's spot as a JLA founder.


Emily - Feb 25, 2004 9:46:39 am PST #3877 of 10000
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Dana, what kind of deal?

This being the only thread I actually caught up on, I'll lighten to say, hey, folks! Also, Stargate pissed me off with the ridiculous unnecessary mislead, but totally broke my heart. Sniff.


Anne W. - Feb 25, 2004 9:49:53 am PST #3878 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

although it wasn't nearly as bad as the two (three?) resets of the LSH mythos that they've done.

This competes with the whole New Mutants fiasco ("Bird Boy," anyone?) as one of the comics events that irked me the most.

That being said, I thought that the "five years later" jump in storytelling to an older, fragmented Legion, was a brilliant concept, although it wound up fizzling out.


victor infante - Feb 25, 2004 9:54:59 am PST #3879 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

"Bird Boy," anyone?

No comics story was as bad as Bird Boy.


Dana - Feb 25, 2004 10:00:25 am PST #3880 of 10000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Emily, the whole thing just got posted in my LJ.

Now Destina has to give Firefly another chance.


Anne W. - Feb 25, 2004 10:01:53 am PST #3881 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Also, Stargate pissed me off with the ridiculous unnecessary mislead, but totally broke my heart. Sniff.

Amen. I was pissed off mostly because I knew I was being misled. It might have been better for the audience to be told, for example, that Jack's wounds were so serious that he only had a 10% chance of surviving. That way, the audience could have been in real suspense, while still being shocked at the other events in the story.

What was interesting to me, however, was the contrast between the slo-mo, you-can-see-it-coming, atmospheric-music-playing set up for Jack being shot, with a lingering shot just before the cut to break, versus the complete shock and speed of Janet getting killed, with that horribly brief yelp of surprise and pain, being shown in a manner that was no doubt carefully crafted to look like crappy amateur video, with no composition, sound editing, etc. Rather than "seeing it coming," it actually took me several seconds to process what had happened, even though I had been thoroughly spoiled.


§ ita § - Feb 25, 2004 10:53:11 am PST #3882 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I still haven't fully processed watching her get shot. I rewatched the last 15 minutes (for the hugging and the speech and the crouching in the dark corner).

Should redo the whole thing.


Anne W. - Feb 25, 2004 11:15:06 am PST #3883 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I still haven't fully processed watching her get shot.

I think that was the goal. It was swift, brutal, and unpoetic. She was alive one minute, dead the next. No warning, no foreshadowing, nada. That footage was as close as I think I've ever seen a television show come to mimicking what actual combat footage would look like.

Paradoxically, the fact that we didn't see the death "live" on the show made it seem much more immediate, since most of us experience combat and its like second-hand, through video footage, just as Bregman and his crew did. Rather than seeing that death as part of a fictional story, it had the feel of something that actually happened.

Although the fake-out was really annoying, the contrast between the way the two shootings were portrayed was pretty damned brilliant, IMO.


DCJensen - Feb 27, 2004 4:51:48 am PST #3884 of 10000
All is well that ends in pizza.

Carl Lumbly (Marcus Dixon on Alias) voices the Martian Manhunter on Justice League

He also played M.A.N.T.I.S. on the short lived live action TV series about the paraplegic who invents a suit and becomes a superhero.